Pagoda SL Group
W113 Pagoda SL Group => General Discussion => Topic started by: n/a on October 24, 2005, 17:07:41
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Hi, I have black 230 SL with white interior, all leather. The seats need replacing, I can't seem to find off white original leather seats. Can you help me? Thank you Diane :) :) update, still can't find, cream is not it, I need off white The original leather from center console I was able to loosen and there was a number stamped on it 113042 271
?????? To update John at German Auto Top in North Hollywood sent me samples of hides and I found a real close matching color. He is going to make the seats for me at a very reasonable price. Thank you Everyone.
:) :) :) :) :) :) Diane
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Looks like parchment is the closest that GAHH.com has:
http://www.gahh.net/smp-v20-c01-a.php
Douglas Kim
New York, NY
280 SL #016220
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Thank you, I tried parchment, it is actually tan but on internet it looks white, I have been using world upholstery in Santa Paula, Ca. but their parchment is tan. Diane
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Would you have the Data card or Trim code??
Black [ 040} on a 230sl came with 4 different whiteish leather interiors:
Trim 209- Creame
213 -Antique light Yellow
221- White Gray
230- Eggshell
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Originally posted by A Dalton
Would you have the Data card or Trim code??
Black [ 040} on a 230sl came with 4 different whiteish leather interiors:
Trim 209- Creame
213 -Antique light Yellow
221- White Gray
230- Eggshell
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Originally posted by dianelauren
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Originally posted by A Dalton
Would you have the Data card or Trim code??
Black [ 040} on a 230sl came with 4 different whiteish leather interiors:
Trim 209- Creame
213 -Antique light Yellow
221- White Gray
230- Eggshell
Thank you, I don't have data card, it is either white gray or eggshell, I have a digital pic, Diane
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Here are the Benz designation #s for those colors in leather.
Eggshell-1112
White/Gray-5102
Both of these are sampled here
http://www.worlduph.com/SAMPLES/mbz1966.htm
Give those numbers to some suppliers and see what they come up with...
The is also Parchment 8014, but that did not come out until the 280sl [ .044 chassis]
...beautiful color , if you were to do the whole interior over.
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PS Info:
If you have original rugs, I can also give you your Trim Code.
If the rugs are Cream, then the seats are White/Gray and the trim code is 221
If the rugs are Black, then the seats are Eggshell and the trim code is 230.
If you find this deduction to be true , then keep that info B/C the only other way to get a trim code is by writing to the Mercedes Clssic Center for the Data Card info...
If this does not relate to your interior combo, then it may have been a special order , which would require Data Card info for that specific car.
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Originally posted by A Dalton
PS Info:
If you have original rugs, I can also give you your Trim Code.
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If the rugs are Cream, then the seats are White/Gray and the trim code is 221
If the rugs are Black, then the seats are Eggshell and the trim code is 230.
If you find this deduction to be true , then keep that info B/C the oh
THANK YOU AGAIN, MY RUGS ARE BROWN dIANE
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<<THANK YOU AGAIN, MY RUGS ARE BROWN dIANE>>
Do your seats match either one from the site I posted ??
While you are looking at that site , also look at code 209- 1060. That is Creame and that code did came with brown carpet..
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Originally posted by A Dalton
<<THANK YOU AGAIN, MY RUGS ARE BROWN dIANE>>
Do your seats match either one from the site I posted ??
While you are looking at that site , also look at code 209- 1060. That is Creame and that code did came with brown carpet..
Thank you, the lightest color at the mercedes interior link you sent me is parchment which is light tan, the whites they show are no longer available. Mercedes USA did e mail me back this morning and told me it did come in a light eggshell, but I still can't find that leather. Thank you again Diane
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<<<the lightest color at the mercedes interior link you sent me is parchment which is light tan, the whites they show are no longer available.>>
I know they are NLA from World, I just used their site to have you identify which color you have .. once we get that , I may be able to tell you where to find it.
Give Gahh a call .. they sometimes have the correct colors even though they are not shown on their website.
The Eggshell is Benz 1112. if that is what you think you have using the World site as reference.......
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Originally posted by A Dalton
<<<the lightest color at the mercedes interior link you sent me is parchment which is light tan, the whites they show are no longer available.>>
I know they are NLA from World, I just used their site to have you identify which color you have .. once we get that , I may be able to tell you where to find it.
Give Gahh a call .. they sometimes have the correct colors even though they are not shown on their website.
The Eggshell is Benz 1112. if that is what you think you have using the World site as reference.......
Hi again, I called them today again. The lightest leather they have is parchment which is light tan. Any of the other colors they show on their website they are unavailable. My seats are off white and nobody seems to have it. Thank you again. Diane
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Are you sure parchment is a light tan? I always thought it was an off-white.
Douglas Kim
New York, NY
280 SL #016220
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Originally posted by Douglas
Are you sure parchment is a light tan? I always thought it was an off-white.
Douglas Kim
New York, NY
280 SL #016220
Thank you for your time. I ordered the seat covers twice, thinking the first time they made a mistake. 254, light tan, even though on the internet it looks off white. Diane
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If you're replacing the seat covers why not cut out a swatch and send it to World or GAHH. They may have something that would match it better than the stock parchment. They carry quite a selection of various leathers for different cars.
1969 280sl 5 spd
Gainesville, Fl.
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Originally posted by hauser
If you're replacing the seat covers why not cut out a swatch and send it to World or GAHH. They may have something that would match it better than the stock parchment. They carry quite a selection of various leathers for different cars.
1969 280sl 5 spd
Gainesville, Fl.
Thank you, I sent sample already, no off white available, at first they told me car did not originally come in black, must have been repainted and leather sprayed. But after getting information from mercedes usa this am - car did come in black with light cream (off white) interior. Just can't
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I've seen two SLs with an off-white leather interior. Both were aftermarket replacements and I know who installed each one. One was done by Hatch and Sons in MA and the other was done by Wolgang Ritter at Wolfgang's in Tenafly, NJ. One of those people can tell you where they sourced the off-white leather for their clients.
Keep in mind that not everyone at these interior shops knows their stuff -- I had a debate with someone at GAHH who told me that there was only one shade of red leather in a Pagoda SL and that's simply not true. There was red, light red, wine red, and rusty red. (You usually see light red today.)
Douglas Kim
New York, NY
280 SL #016220
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Diane,
I know there are colors that are not avialable at this site , but they are available at other shops .
My question to you is and has been" ...
" Is your color ANY of the ones at this site ???"
http://www.worlduph.com/SAMPLES/mbz1966.htm
.. forget if they say not available , I would just like to know if you see your color anywhere on these charts..as these charts are ALL colors/codes of leather produced for 230sl.
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Originally posted by A Dalton
Diane,
I know there are colors that are not avialable at this site , but they are available at other shops .
My question to you is and has been" ...
" Is your color ANY of the ones at this site ???"
http://www.worlduph.com/SAMPLES/mbz1966.htm
.. forget if they say not available , I would just like to know if you see your color anywhere on these charts..as these charts are ALL colors/codes of leather produced for 230sl.
hi, it looks like 121 - I have a pic of my seats, the seats and interior I would say is light ivory. But parchment also looks light on the internet but when received it was tan. If I sent a digital pic of my seat it might help. I e mailed a couple of upholstery shops back east but no answer yet. Thanks again. Diane
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Originally posted by Douglas
I've seen two SLs with an off-white leather interior. Both were aftermarket replacements and I know who installed each one. One was done by Hatch and Sons in MA and the other was done by Wolgang Ritter at Wolfgang's in Tenafly, NJ. One of those people can tell you where they sourced the off-white leather for their clients.
Keep in mind that not everyone at these interior shops knows their stuff -- I had a debate with someone at GAHH who told me that there was only one shade of red leather in a Pagoda SL and that's simply not true. There was red, light red, wine red, and rusty red. (You usually see light red today.)
Douglas Kim
New York, NY
280 SL #016220
Thank you, I will look up their phone numbers in the morning. Diane
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<<hi, it looks like 121 ->>
OK, that may help..
That 121 code is Creame 2403 and that trim code came with brown
[ 6454] carpet, but that is an MB Tex trim code, not leather.
Are you sure about the leather ??? .. many that have Tex think that it is actually leather.
In the leather Creame , that would be code 209. That also came with the same brown carpet [ 6454]. But the Creame was color 1060.
These are the Factory Original combinations and correct colors.. if these do not fit to what you have , than you do not have original trim.
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Diane -
If this will help, here are two shots of my original 121 Cream Tex 230SL interior. The first was taken in direct afternoon sunlight, the second was on an overcast day.
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- Mike Hughes -ô¿ô-
1966 230SL Auto P/S
Havanna Brown (408)
Light Beige (181)
Cream M-B Tex (121)
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Originally posted by Mike Hughes
Diane -
If this will help, here are two shots of my original 121 Cream Tex 230SL interior. The first was taken in direct afternoon sunlight, the second was on an overcast day.
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- Mike Hughes -ô¿ô-
1966 230SL Auto P/S
Havanna Brown (408)
Light Beige (181)
Cream M-B Tex (121)
Is seats leather? Mine look the same I think. 121 looks closest to mine except mine is leather. Still haven't found the seats in correct color in leather. Will try to attach picture. Thank you Diane
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Originally posted by Mike Hughes
Diane -
If this will help, here are two shots of my original 121 Cream Tex 230SL interior. The first was taken in direct afternoon sunlight, the second was on an overcast day.
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- Mike Hughes -ô¿ô-
1966 230SL Auto P/S
Havanna Brown (408)
Light Beige (181)
Cream M-B Tex (121)
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Seats, dash, door panels, under dash panels, soft top compartment trim, and the trim behind the seats adjacent to the doors is all the earlier style, finely textured M-B Tex, which looks a lot like leather, especially in photos. The later style of thicker, more boldly textured M-B Tex found in 280SLs is more easily differentiated from leather.
- Mike Hughes -ô¿ô-
1966 230SL Auto P/S
Havanna Brown (408)
Light Beige (181)
Cream M-B Tex (121)
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As MH states , .. the early Tex can fool you into thinking it is leather..
... but , the tell-tale test is to find a spot where one can see the underside .. [ like seat trim under-corners] .. you will plainly see a manufactured texture weave pattern on the underside of the Tex.. ...whereas leather will be hide with no pattern..
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Originally posted by Mike Hughes
Mine is clearly leather - a hide is underneath Thanks Diane
- Mike Hughes -ô¿ô-
1966 230SL Auto P/S
Havanna Brown (408)
Light Beige (181)
Cream M-B Tex (121)
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Well,
We have listed every factory combination, so my recommendation to you is simply write/fax the Classic Centre with your Vin and they will have the Data Card info for your car with the original trim code .. that will settle it.
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Daimler Chrysler Classic
Bereich Archiv
Dokumentation
Stuttart, Germany
Fax # 011-49-711-17-53163
DaimlerChrysler AG
Mercedes-Benz Classic Centre
HPC 096/R051
70546 Stuttgart, Gernany
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Another way to check an original leather interior is to look at the door panels. If the horizontal "seam" in the door panel a few inches down from the top is "heat embossed" then the panel is covered in TEX and if the seam is stitched it is leather. If the door panels are leather then the interior was originally leather, if TEX then the interior was TEX. The TEX will have a cloth backing.
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Originally posted by A Dalton
As MH states , .. the early Tex can fool you into thinking it is leather..
... but , the tell-tale test is to find a spot where one can see the underside .. [ like seat trim under-corners] .. you will plainly see a manufactured texture weave pattern on the underside of the Tex.. ...whereas leather will be hide with no pattern..
- Mike Hughes -ô¿ô-
1966 230SL Auto P/S
Havanna Brown (408)
Light Beige (181)
Cream M-B Tex (121)
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Hey Mike.........really love that interior !
It a very rich and luxurious looking combo !
Regards,
Ben in Ireland.
'64 230SL 4sp.
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<< if TEX then the interior was TEX. The TEX will have a cloth backing>>
.. Yup... and the Final test is .. if the seats are not worn out at all , then you know for sure it is TEX..
Amazing stuff !!!!!!! [ the Old version , anyway ]
You can go to a junk yard and see old weather beaten , rusted to the roof, windows left open Benzs and you open the door and see these perfect seats ......:)
They should have made the unibody out of it !!!!
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Originally posted by Mike Webster in August of this year:
"Contact Classicparts@mbusa.com. Give them your serial number. I received my data card the next day, free. Good luck!!"
I got a copy of my car's data card a couple of years ago by calling the Classic Center. They faxed it to me in a matter of half an hour. I don't recall the number but you might try calling Merecedes Benz customer service at (800) 367-6372.
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Originally posted by A Dalton
Daimler Chrysler Classic
Bereich Archiv
Dokumentation
Stuttart, Germany
Fax # 011-49-711-17-53163
DaimlerChrysler AG
Mercedes-Benz Classic Centre
HPC 096/R051
70546 Stuttgart, Gernany
- Mike Hughes -ô¿ô-
1966 230SL Auto P/S
Havanna Brown (408)
Light Beige (181)
Cream M-B Tex (121)
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I've been wading through all this and my take is that you have established that the color of interior is likely Cream. 121 would be the code for TEX, the same color in leather would be 209. I gather you have the leather interior.
Depending on the condition of your interior, it may be possible to have a good upholstery shop repair the seat covers. In the right hands, some quite remarkable things can be done with leather. There was a burn hole in the textured, perforated section of a seat in a car I bought a few years back and they were able to repair the panel, duplicate the texture and perforation pattern and then color match (dye) the repair in a matter of hours. In addition there are several products on the market that can be used to rejuvenate leather seats. The result often is a nicely patinated original leather interior. If you have a torn panel, it may be possible to make a patch panel with leather from a more hidden area of the seat, like beside the transmission tunnel, replacing that leather with a closely matching vinyl or tex. (I gather that you are being told that your leather is not available - have you inquired about TEX?) If it is not possible to satisfactorily repair or rejuvenate the seats, and your door panels, dash pad, etc. are in good shape, then a good upholstery shop should be able to source a closely matching leather and make up new seat covers. If it is not close enough it can be color matched (dyed) to suit. For that matter, you can get a tan leather seat kit from GAAH, World, etc., and recolor it. The point is, you have multiple choices available to you to return your cream interior to its former glory.
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Originally posted by dianelauren
hi, it looks like 121 - I have a pic of my seats, the seats and interior I would say is light ivory. But parchment also looks light on the internet but when received it was tan. If I sent a digital pic of my seat it might help. I e mailed a couple of upholstery shops back east but no answer yet. Thanks again. Diane
- Mike Hughes -ô¿ô-
1966 230SL Auto P/S
Havanna Brown (408)
Light Beige (181)
Cream M-B Tex (121)
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Dianelauren says: Thanks Mike, but seats are beyond repair, missing whole panels.
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Originally posted by dianelauren
hi, it looks like 121 - I have a pic of my seats, the seats and interior I would say is light ivory. But parchment also looks light on the internet but when received it was tan. If I sent a digital pic of my seat it might help. I e mailed a couple of upholstery shops back east but no answer yet. Thanks again. Diane
- Mike Hughes -ô¿ô-
1966 230SL Auto P/S
Havanna Brown (408)
Light Beige (181)
Cream M-B Tex (121)
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Diane,
I see the 230sl you had on ebay did not sell.
Would you consider selling the extra Carpet set seperately ???
Tnx
A Dalton
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Originally posted by A Dalton
Diane,
I see the 230sl you had on ebay did not sell.
Would you consider selling the extra Carpet set seperately ???
Tnx
A Dalton
I think it is a slow time on e bay. No, it needs to get installed - the red matches the car I have. Diane