Pagoda SL Group
W113 Pagoda SL Group => General Discussion => Topic started by: terry shores on September 12, 2005, 09:54:26
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-MercedesBenz-SL-Class-SUNROOF_W0QQitemZ4575077777QQcategoryZ6338QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Looks good.
Tom in Boise
'71 280SL 4-spd, signal red w/lt. tan interior, restored/enhanced
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In case you guys don't remember this particular car, think about the "Love Mercedes" ad campaign. Remember the pic with the guy standing up through the sunroof with extended arms?
This same seller also sold a very high caliber 280sl on ebay. It was a former Hatch car. I believe it went to Greece.
1969 280sl 5 spd
Gainesville, Fl.
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Pretty car. I would love to see pix of the undercarriage & a few more of the engine bay.
Douglas Kim
New York, NY
280 SL #016220
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Excuse my ignorance!!! Is a sunroof an option or is it custom????
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It was also another option, according to PAGODA WORLD article!! This guy really had the options! Douglas, do you want to see the undercarriage for rust or just to see if he also had the optional undercarriage protection plates....
BTW, I am still the high bidder after several days on that ORIS skirack on eBay... Am I really the only guy who wants that thing for $49.99?
-CD-
1967 230SL, 113.042 10
1983 300TDT, 123.193
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It was an unofficial option. No factory literature shows it as an option, but there are ample examples, almost exclusively on Euro cars. The story I've heard is that MB was happy to outsource the work for customers who were interested. Definitely one of the rarest of W 113 options out there.
If you're so inclined, it is possible to retrofit a sunroof on a non-sunroof hardtop today, but it's a very labor-intensive job. I believe Gernold has performed the job up at SL Tech.
Douglas Kim
New York, NY
280 SL #016220
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I wanted to see the undercarriage because it says a lot about the quality of a car. It says the beauty is more than "skin deep." Mind you, I'm not saying he's hiding anything here. There are a million legitimate reasons he hasn't shown the undercarriage, including the fact that he may find it physically difficult to stoop down to take photos. I don't know the seller. I just thought it would be nice to see it,
Douglas Kim
New York, NY
280 SL #016220
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If there are no surprises--probably worth every penny of $75K.
Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red w/Black Leather
Restored
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One thing I like about my hardtop is the absurdly secure and overengineered feeling it provides. I can only imagine that fitting a sunroof would cost $$$$ just from reading Gernold's hardtop restoration article....
I am going to try leatherique dye on my headliner stains first....
-CD-
1967 230SL, 113.042 10
1983 300TDT, 123.193
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I guess I was a little non-plussed to see this kind of price, even if it does appear to be quite a nicely presented vehicle. I agree with the original statement. I hope he gets it, it helps to pull up the rest of the market.
Jonny B
1967 250SL Auto
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I did not get all the photos the first time I looked at the ad. Michael, you sure do have to admire his choice in license plates, no??
Jonny B
1967 250SL Auto
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quote:
Originally posted by Jonny B
I guess I was a little non-plussed to see this kind of price, even if it does appear to be quite a nicely presented vehicle. I agree with the original statement. I hope he gets it, it helps to pull up the rest of the market.
Jonny -- I believe Ranchomerced not long ago sold one for more. Also, there was another one recently listed for $99.5K (mentioned earlier somewhere on this message board).
I wouldn't be too surprised if there is considerably more than $75K into this car.
Tom in Boise
'71 280SL 4-spd, signal red w/lt. tan interior, restored/enhanced
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Take a closer look at the pics! The car is parked on a lift in two of the photos. There shouldn't be a problem of posting undercarriage shots of the car.
As for retrofitting a sunroof on a non sunroof top it's been done by Rancho Mercedes. I'm talking about the blue 280. I believe the sunroof on that car was retrofitted from a 300 series wagon. That sunroof is a bit larger/wider than those fitted to the pagoda tops.
1969 280sl 5 spd
Gainesville, Fl.
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Yes indeed I do appreciate the license plate. FYI, Jonny B and I share the same PAGODA plate; his Ohio, mine Michigan.
Generally there is more in restoration then one will obtain in sale, granted I started from a fairly low benchmark, but my restorer had over 1,000 hours alone of labor. Add "some parts"[:0] and do the math...
For the undercarriage NOT to look as nice as the rest of the car would have taken a conscious effort. So I suspect it too is nice.
Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red w/Black Leather
Restored
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When I was searching for my car a couple of years ago I had the pleasure of speaking with this seller about another w113 he had for sale. While it ended up being out of my price range, I did get a good feeling from the guy, he was very knowledgeable and seemed to be honest about the car's flaws. As I recall, he went out of his way to accomodate a number of requests I had and provider all sorts of documentation. He's a regular poster on Dorian's site.
Ken G
1971 280 SL
Silver/red
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I think Marc will get his price I have seen pictures of his 280's he has a bunch of them all top shelf. He also has a beutiful 300SL all restored to the highest standard. And yes he post's regular on Dorians site I have spoken with him a couple of times. He has a lot of cool options of the day like luggage etc. He is the guy in the Mercedes commercial and a good buddy of his has a Pagoda with a dashboard 45 rpm record player that came in a car he bought from an African museum...interesting Texan, I enjoyed the cut of his jib.
Ernie
First Place AACA Show Winner 350SL July 2003
I love low mile Mercedes.
First Place AACA Show winner for 2004 280SL
1969 280 4spd Papyrus White
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Ernie the 300sl is gone. The car was involved in a terrible accident and to my knowledge was totalled. The driver was in a coma for two to three weeks. Once this car is sold that will be pretty much the end of the Mercedes collection to make room for the Corvette's.
1969 280sl 5 spd
Gainesville, Fl.
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This car is probably every bit as good as a w113 can possibly be. It looks great. But I admit that I too am somewhat turned off by the price of it. Yes it can cost $75k and even probably $100k or more to restore the w113 to better than new. I would love to do this. But these cars were mass-produced in the sense that almost 17-18,000 w113 made it to the US. What I mean is, it's still a relatively common car... an excellent car, but a common car. Restoration costs should not absolutely equal value/for sale costs, only for the truly rare type of cars. I think for more common cars that are being driven on the roads like a w113. I think many may have spent this much on a w113, and that is wonderful! But I just think that $75k is too much for a Pagoda. Beauty and value are in the eye of the beholder and buyer, though. Maybe this would be an unpopular opinion.
-CD-
1967 230SL, 113.042 10
1983 300TDT, 123.193
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How many think that $75,000 will be bid (and paid) for it? I think not, but I could be very wrong.
-CD-
1967 230SL, 113.042 10
1983 300TDT, 123.193
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I don't think it's going to make it to 75k on eBay, may be in a private sale, but I would think that 50 to 55k will buy the car.
Mike Halleck
Chesterfield Mi
71 280SL
68 250SL (parts car)
94 E320 Coupe
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quote:
Originally posted by Chad
This car is probably every bit as good as a w113 can possibly be. It looks great. But I admit that I too am somewhat turned off by the price of it. Yes it can cost $75k and even probably $100k or more to restore the w113 to better than new. I would love to do this. But these cars were mass-produced in the sense that almost 17-18,000 w113 made it to the US. What I mean is, it's still a relatively common car... an excellent car, but a common car. Restoration costs should not absolutely equal value/for sale costs, only for the truly rare type of cars. I think for more common cars that are being driven on the roads like a w113. I think many may have spent this much on a w113, and that is wonderful! But I just think that $75k is too much for a Pagoda. Beauty and value are in the eye of the beholder and buyer, though. Maybe this would be an unpopular opinion.
-CD-
1967 230SL, 113.042 10
1983 300TDT, 123.193
CD,
I'd argue, CD, that the 113 is hardly common. The number you said that entered the USA, remember, was over an 8 (some say 9??) year period from 1964-1971, and the newest of these cars is now 34 years old. Many of these cars are gone forever, and the guesses we've had is that perhaps half of them still exist? Compare and contrast for example, the single model year of 1997 when 35,000 SLK's were made. Oh yes, you'll see them on the road more common in places like Southern California and less common in others. But realistically I don't think it fits any definition of, or is what one should call common.
Restoration costs are almost never recoverable on any car, so one does not approach restoration with the thought of resale in mind. I don't care if you are working on a 1932 Ford, a 1957 BMW, or a 1969 Mercedes. As the rarity and exclusiveness of the car increases, so does the cost of restoration. Many classic and rare collector cars have to have parts made for them. We can buy a new hood/bonnet for $2,000, but fabricating the same for a car where you can't get the piece might cost $20,000--maybe more. Multiply that over the myriad parts one needs to restore a car, and you'll see that a "million dollar classic" might cost close to that to restore.
You may think that $75,000 is too much for a Pagoda, but understand that there are probably some buyers out there who simply don't want to go through the trouble of restoration, and will gladly pay that for the right car. This buyer may not be around today, but maybe tomorrow. Also, every Pagoda is different. Many of them out there, and this may be your frame of reference, are just old cars--they don't look new, they don't drive new, and they don't behave new. They leak oil from multiple locations, they need constant maintenance, and judging by some of the threads here have all kinds of peculiar problems stemming from thrifyy mechanical or body work; improper machine shop work, lack of proper parts, and just plain ignorance of the peculiarities of the car. These are the kinds of things we generally inherit when we get an old Pagoda. Trust me, mine was about as bad as you can find with all those problems and more.
So, if this car is as good as it gets--and only a direct intense observation with backing data would prove that--it may have $100,000 worth of work done to it, and it may indeed fetch $75,000 which means it is worth that money. Let's remind ourselves that they have sold for more then that as has been pointed out.
Let me suggest as Norton just indicated, that eBay may not be the place to get these high prices. Private sale through reputable sellers such as Rancho Merced, Alex Dearborn and others would probably bring the right buyer to the right car more so then eBay.
Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red w/Black Leather
Restored
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Oh, it's a nice car, but it's too much in my opinion. I love these cars, and I could buy this very one, but if I were to spend that much on a car, instead of giving to charity, I'd probably buy a much rarer car. I am glad that this amount of money is spent on restorations. It's great and very justifiable to the owners and people who see the cars. But if I bought a car on eBay (not privately) for this much it would not be a car that really is (in my opinion) pretty common. I mean, there is a market for sourcing most of the parts for these cars (and that's why I decided to buy a Pagoda, don't we love that about these cars, that they are still appreciated and in numbers that justify the market) but I've also owned several cars where *everything* had to be fabricated because the car was produced in a run of less than 1000... I knew this might be an unpopular opinion, but I think these cars are meant to be driven and exposed to the community daily in fair weather, that's why a $75k Pagoda or even 190SL is not for me. I am more of an enthusiast than a true aficionado:)
-CD-
1967 230SL, 113.042 10
1983 300TDT, 123.193
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Also, I have owned $100,000+ classics, but found it difficult to enjoy them to the same extent as a Pagoda because they were very rare. My w113 is probably not ever going to be nearly as nice as many, but for $30k I can replace it with another and this allows me to truly enjoy driving it around. I would probably be somewhat paranoid about parking lot dings and community driving in a $75k pagoda. I am a cheapo!!! :)
-CD-
1967 230SL, 113.042 10
1983 300TDT, 123.193
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I look at what would make a Pagoda worth 75k, and In my mind, being that the cars are not that rare or popular (there seems to be more cars for sale than there are buyers), 75k should by a car capable of winning a major show. Sure This car gets extra points for the sunroof hard top, but it seems to be in driver/excellent driver condition, not show winning condition.
Mike Halleck
Chesterfield Mi
71 280SL
68 250SL (parts car)
94 E320 Coupe
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Chad, Mike -- You may have already seen this, but check out the web site of Motoring Investments: http://www.motoringinvestments.com/mbz.htm
Take a peek at the 4th car down the list ($99.5K), then click on the details of the car. If I'm doing the math right the asking price of this 280SL is $65K less than what last owner put into it (25 + 140 - 99.5 = 66.5).
I think I saw somewhere on this site recently the results of a survey saying W113s are now the number 4 desirable foreign collector car. In terms of the car being common...well, we all know Idaho isn't a densely populated state, but the Treasure Valley / Boise metro region now has a population north of 500,000, and I haven't seen another W113 here in long time.
Tom in Boise
'71 280SL 4-spd, signal red w/lt. tan interior, restored/enhanced
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I agree, Chad. I couldn't sleep at night with a car that expensive. And, my wife would sure get annoyed at me when I parked at the far end of the parking lot where ever we went. I like to enjoy my cars. I've had older MG's and Jags, as well as, my 280sl. $30K is about the limit for my "comfort" level.
Cheers,
Don
quote:
Originally posted by Chad
Also, I have owned $100,000+ classics, but found it difficult to enjoy them to the same extent as a Pagoda because they were very rare. My w113 is probably not ever going to be nearly as nice as many, but for $30k I can replace it with another and this allows me to truly enjoy driving it around. I would probably be somewhat paranoid about parking lot dings and community driving in a $75k pagoda. I am a cheapo!!! :)
-CD-
1967 230SL, 113.042 10
1983 300TDT, 123.193
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I love the interesting discussion this thread has generated, more interesting than it was intended, I believe. Anyway, I believe that we have different notions of what a rare car is, and what a popular and desireable car is. Rare cars IMO are not well know to be desireable. They are not often the subject of excellent and helpful forums such as this that is populated by knowledgable and helpful owners. They are not catered to by multiple suppliers that allow the owner to compare prices and select the better and most original deal. They are not usually found being sold on eBay in numbers of anywhere for one or two to over a dozen at any point in time. I think that seeing a $12,000 bill for "creation," yes "creation" of a radiator for a 1952 DB2 Aston which was produced in a number of 441 made me think about what rarity is, and realize that I wanted a car to drive that was more common.
But, I think I do agree with you now, the w113 chassis is getting rare and mre expensive and desireable. I love waving at the driveers of the two other w113s in my home town of 60,000 people. And quite simply, the 230 SL is the most enjoyable fusion of comfort and excitement I have ever driven. I love them!!
Don, I think $30k is definitely my limit to now. We are all so lucky to be able to enjoy these cars and also this forum! :)
-CD-
1967 230SL, 113.042 10
1983 300TDT, 123.193
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Oh, what a shame. Aren't the hubcaps and the hardtop supposed to be the same color? Black hardtop should have black hubcaps, correct? I guess nuttin' is perfect in this world, eh?
Cheers,
Don
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The seller does have back hubcaps to go with the black top. He is also suppling red hubcaps to use without the hard top which I believe is nice as most people "off the street" do not know this important fact about the two tone color option. How much additional weight does the sun roof add to the hard top?
Bruce; 268Blaugrun(green) 1970 280SL; IL
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The car has been relisted with a starting price of $40,000.00 with no reserve.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4577511424
1969 280sl 5 spd
Gainesville, Fl.
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I can't believe there have been no bidders on this car.
Tom in Boise
'71 280SL 4-spd, signal red w/lt. tan interior, restored/enhanced
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I'm guessing they'll come out of the woodwork at the last moment. "Sniping," I believe, is the term.
Douglas Kim
New York, NY
280 SL #016220
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My guess is that one or more of the high end dealers will try to grab it, and it will be on there showroom floor within a month with $15 to $20K added to the price.
Mike Halleck
Chesterfield Mi
71 280SL
68 250SL (parts car)
94 E320 Coupe
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I emailed this seller and told him I am a 113 owner and interested in his car at the new price but asked for data plate and data card information which seems like a reasonable request. He responded to my email saying that he didn't like to type but that the car was all it is shown to be and to "have a nice day". I think he is miffed that he didn't get his $75K and anyone should want the car now at $40K without question. I guess someone will.
Dennis,
I am covered up with e-mails about this pagoda and I do not like to type.
I have ever thing you have requested
I have a lot of 113 accessories I would sell to you if you buy the car( besides the ones in the e-bay ad.
Have a nice day!
mkw
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Just sitting at $40,000 and no bids, come on one of you guys should pick this up, What about Tom S you don't have one this color yet do you? :D
Mike Halleck
Chesterfield Mi
71 280SL
68 250SL (parts car)
94 E320 Coupe
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Less than 20 minutes to go, and still no takers....
Jonny B
1967 250SL Auto
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Auction has ended with zero bids. Maybe it's just the wrong time of year.
1969 280sl 5 spd
Gainesville, Fl.
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It maybe.
-CD-
1967 230SL, 113.042 10
1983 300TDT, 123.193
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No, I was ready to buy the car but the seller doesn't like to type. He typed me to tell me that when I asked only for data plate and data card info. Oh well.
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Dennis,
You're absolutely correct. Some people don't seem to understand that in today's world few things sell themselves. If you want it sold, you have to SELL it.
Mike
1966 230sl silver/red
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Sounds like a businessman and not an enthusiast. Sounds frustrated that the market doesn't support his original desire for $75k, or $40k even. Something is only worth the value that another person will pay for it. There are other really nice cars and good luck!
-CD-
1967 230SL, 113.042 10
1983 300TDT, 123.193
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I also asked a few questions and did not get all my questions anwered. My car is just like it, except the hard top has no sun roof. At the last MB meeting here, there was a fellow from Tacoma who wanted to sell his 230SL in nice condition, He's the original owner and had all the documentation. He wanted 27k, I think. eBay is a funny place: I once wanted to sell my Bernina sewing machine. It cost over 2k new and I had used it very little. I felt, I should get at least $650 for it. Two times, nobody came up to my price, one fellow wrote me, wanted to buy it for parts, offered $350. Later, it sold for $1k. eBay is a funny place that way.
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This is exactly why ebay is a very risky place to sell a high-end SL. It cheapens it to be on the block with so many other SLs of all levels, particularly when it doesn't sell and has to be re-listed as this car was.
If you're going to go the ebay route, you have to at least show a lot of detail to make it obvious that this is a special car that is more than just a car with an unusual hardtop.
Douglas Kim
New York, NY
280 SL #016220
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I've been following along, too. Ebay is tempting I suppose because it is quick for buyer and seller, however, I think it's no place to buy or sell a car you are enthusiastic about and will treat lovingly or have treated lovingly.
-CD-
1967 230SL, 113.042 10
1983 300TDT, 123.193
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It's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack And at $30,000 this time.[:0]
Mike Halleck
Chesterfield Mi
71 280SL
68 250SL (parts car)
94 E320 Coupe
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I bid $30K on it but knew it wasn't reserve which is probably closer to his "Buy Now" price. I'm just a little reluctant to bid higher when I can't get simple info like data plate and card codes. If he is a wealthy "Gullwing Guy" who doesn't have time for us "Pagoda People" I almost understand but he seems to want to sell it, in a way. This is the last cryptic email I got from the seller (initials only).
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> Dennis,
> If I had taken the time to type you all the data card info,What would you had done with it? Maybe you could have taken a photo of the info I typed to you!
> Have a nice day!
> mkw
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I spoke with this guy twice,I ask him if the numbers matched,hard top ,Engine lid,soft top hatch,He told me the hard top came from another car he purchased in europe just for the sunroof,would not confrim numbers for engine lid or soft top hatch,I also asked for pictures of under carriage, spotwelds in the front engine bay, trunk,rear valance of the car, asked if the engine number matched data card I was told by him the car is everything it is in the pictures on ebay. I told him i was a serious buyer and if the car checked out,That i felt we could make a deal,Only if he could provide the information i asked him for.(Same answer The car is everything it is in the pictures on ebay}. My feelings Run don't walk.
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http://pagoda113.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/2076001521/m/946607893/r/9421072801#9421072801
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It is relisted again. This time is buy it now for $40K and a little less on the reserve. Got one bid already.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-SL-Class-280SL-Mercedes-Benz-SUNROOF_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6338QQitemZ4579121353QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
On the same note, Can you guys believe these prices?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4577713596&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=8002504967&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT
Louis 70 280sl Red Auto
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And another post from the seller mkw...
http://pagoda113.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/2076001521/m/508104069
Tom
1967 250SL
Los Angeles
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The car seems to look good, but IMO all these sequential listings have become weird.
Tom in Boise
'71 280SL 4-spd, signal red w/lt. tan interior, restored/enhanced
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The service manual final bid was a shocker! It's hard to believe this thing went for $1325.00[:0].
1969 280sl 5 spd
Gainesville, Fl.
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I am flabbergasted. Is this a joke? A used service manual going for over $1,300?
Unlike Louis though, I'm not surprised by the price for the clock. What I don't get is why would you have hidden bidding for a clock. I can understand hidden identities for a car that's conspicuously expensive or for some kind of item that's a bit risque, but a clock?
Finally, what's with the seller of that red SL? Why all the hostility?
Douglas Kim
New York, NY
280 SL #016220
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I seriously doubt that this guy is going to get his $1300 for the book. I think someone is playing a joke on him.
I have seen the clock went for over $100 but never over 200.
Louis 70 280sl Red Auto
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The first time this car was listed the auction was viewed 2401 times. The second listing brought 1010 views. Today the count is at 232 on its first day of a 9 day listing.
1969 280sl 5 spd
Gainesville, Fl.
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Dennis,
Alex Dearborn has a excellent 1969 for sale for $45,000.00. Alex is a straight shooter and a real good guy. He answered a lot of questions for me when I was looking. Although I ended up purchasing a car from someone else, I would not hesitate to buy a car from Alex. The car may be viewed at www.dearbornauto.com.
Mike
1966 230sl silver/red
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I believe there must be a secret map for the location of tons of buried pirate treasure gold hidden somewhere within that particular copy of mercedes service manual. It really might be a good buy, I can only imagine.
-CD-
1967 230SL, 113.042 10
1983 300TDT, 123.193
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I bought a BBB from Daimler Benz in Germany. It cost €98.18 It is in German. I preferred that version because the illustrations are a little crisper. At the time, I recall, the english version was available, but I have heard that it may be out-of-print. Still, the price paid at this eBay auction seems ridiculous. I also needed my clock rebuilt: I bought a new VDO clock for about $30 and swapped the guts. It still works. That was about 2 years ago. But I also bought a new clock from Star Quality Parts(800 782-7199) for $165.00
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I've emailed the seller trying to get specific information but only get back very subjective answers. Any prudent buyer would ask a lot of questions especially if a car is priced above the average car. Seems normal to me that a buyer might want to know how far back the service records go. When I asked about this here is the response I received:
Why does it matter how far back my services records go? The pagoda has been serviced and taken care of very nicely.
All the fenders are original.
The trunk floor is fine.
Have a nice day,
mkw
This would seem to indicate that the records don't go very far back.
This may be a very nice car but without answers to specific questions my comfort level is not very high.
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I heard this guy is real hard nose. Look in Dorian's site for some of his posts and he will know what I meant. You are wasting your time with him. Personally, I would noy pay any extra for a sun roof on the hard top. I always prefer no top anyway and I do not believe the sun roof is original equipment. He is selling this very high end car on eBay because no consigner would work with him.
Louis 70 280sl Red Auto
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Like this one...
http://pagoda113.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/2076001521/m/7951082801
Tom
1967 250SL
Los Angeles
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quote:
Originally posted by TA250SL
Like this one...
http://pagoda113.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/2076001521/m/7951082801
Tom
1967 250SL
Los Angeles
Yeah... I saw that one thw other day.. the guy is a pisser..
Dorian usually deletes his post and then he post again complaining about it b/c his dues are paid up....:)
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Lots of laughs from all this. What motivates this guy to be a conceited jerk??
Remember back - $75,ooo .... yeah right.
-CD-
1967 230SL, 113.042 10
1983 300TDT, 123.193
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$32,100 and didn't meet reserve.
Douglas Kim
New York, NY
280 SL #016220
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Relisted the auction for same the same price but won't give data plate and data card codes. This car would need to be seen to be believed.
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What he is saying is: If you want the car, send him the $40K. TRUST ME IT IS GOOD. A waste of time with this guy. He mentioned that someone is flying in from LA to check on the car on Friday. Why Relist? The car must not look as nice in person as in the pictures.
Louis 70 280sl Red Auto
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Attention Guys: This car is worth a lot of money: It's got an 8-cylinder engine
(http://www.sl113.org/forums/uploaded/theengineer/20051010185910_auctioneer.gif)
Other than that, it's just like mine. Gee - I wish I had a eight cylinder: That way, I wouldn't have to break open a four-pack of spark plugs. Always makes me feel bad that I only buy a six-pack
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SOLD! $40,000.00 Looks likes it's new home will be Scranton, Pennsylvania.
1969 280sl 5 spd
Gainesville, Fl.
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It's back! Again!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-SL-Class-280SL-Mercedes-Benz-SUNROOF_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6338QQitemZ4582244224QQrdZ1
1969 280sl 5 spd
Gainesville, Fl.
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He won't answer questions unless you bid $40K! I emailed that I would buy it if he answered data code and data plate info......after I see it of course. This car maybe all there and probably is worth $35K. I doubt he'll reply since he doesn't like to type.
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Just goes to show you, having a fancy car does *not* give you class.
Perhaps eBay will make $40,ooo off of his auction listing fees by the time this car finds a reputable owner.
-CD-
1967 230SL, 113.042 10
1983 300TDT, 123.193
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If he runs his business like this auction no wonder he is selling it. He has recent positive feedback from the sale of a later SL so he is playing the "hard to get-eccentric owner"role. What a "Pagoda-tease", I may get him interested and "pull out" at the last second. It does look good and I would go $35K after seeing it.
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The constant re-listing must be killing him. I've heard he hates to type . . . .
Douglas Kim
New York, NY
280 SL #016220
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He is now signaling between $36K and $40K. Dennis, I think you should check it out in person if you are interested.
Louis 70 280sl Red Auto
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So why does he say "feel free to ask me anything about this pagoda" at the end of the listing if he can't even respond to some basic inquiries by interested parties?
Tom
1967 250SL
Los Angeles
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"I have heard that he hates to type..."
Yes, some people hate to take showers, too. Most of us just think these kind of people are weird when it comes to business dealings.
-CD-
1967 230SL, 113.042 10
1983 300TDT, 123.193
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That's right folks, the car that will not go away is back http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-SL-Class-280SL-Mercedes-Benz-SUNROOF_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6338QQitemZ4583943236QQrdZ1
Mike Halleck
Chesterfield Mi
71 280SL
68 250SL (parts car)
94 E320 Coupe
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I think this board is getting bored with this thread. Tried to buy the car but the seller won't give his phone number unless you wire $40K to his bank account.
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I believe he's in the phone book. In any event, it's amazing how a seemingly decent car is having so much trouble selling for that price, or any price for that matter. This is a textbook example of how NOT to sell a car. Do you really want to own an SL that everyone will immediately recognize as "that car that sat around on ebay for ages"?
Douglas Kim
New York, NY
280 SL #016220