Pagoda SL Group
W113 Pagoda SL Group => General Discussion => Topic started by: n/a on July 22, 2005, 10:05:14
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Good morning. As a new member, I'm a little bit stupid about these automobiles. I just recently aquired my 1967 250SL. I had a restoration fellow with 27 years experience look at my car, and he seems to think that we can put it back together. He wasn't sure about the rarity of a Pagoda with a rear jump seat and no convertible top. Just a general question. He was aware of the forum and suggested that I pose the question here. Thanks for and the advice that I have recieved here, I surely appreciate all the frienly information that I have seen on the forum.
Thanks again,
Paul Jackson
Lexington, KY
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Paul,
I'm assuming you have a California Coupe -- in other words, a fold-down bench seat in the rear and no "well" for a soft top at all. Is this correct?
If so, there are a number of past & present Coupe owners on this site.
Douglas Kim
New York, NY
280 SL #016220
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I am unfamiliar with the terminolgy California coupe. The rear seat does fold down, but never had a convertible top. I recieved this auto as a family heirloom handed down from my father in law, who now has dementia and remembers very little about the car. It's low mileage and in marginal condition, but it's a keeper. I think I have found a very knowedgable fellow to guide me thru this. Strickly an MB man, with several restored MB's of his own. With less than 5,200 of these vehicles produced, I guess they are all rare. Maybe some of the current or past owners will see this and pass me some more info.
Thanks for the reply.
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Paul,
Use the search feature in the forums and run a search on "California Coupe" or just "Coupe." You'll see lots of pix and info. California Coupe is the nickname it aquired, but the official name of your model is a "250 SL Coupe." It's a rare 2+2 (feels more like 2+1.5) version of the 250 & 280 versions. No real added value because of its impracticality, but a neat quirky option.
Douglas Kim
New York, NY
280 SL #016220
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Originally posted by cwinc
I am unfamiliar with the terminolgy California coupe. The rear seat does fold down, but never had a convertible top.
Make sure it's a factory coupe and not a conversion. There should be a code plate on the inner front right fender (forward of the windshield washer fluid bottle). Please post the codes from that plate and we'll decipher them with you. We have a database of codes:
http://www.sl113.org/data/show_table.asp?table_name=usr_option_codes
Thanks,
Rodd
Powell, Ohio, USA
1966 230SL, Euro, Auto, Leather, both tops
1994 E420
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Who would convert a Roadster into a Coupe? I think that stream flows the other direction. :-)
Douglas Kim
New York, NY
280 SL #016220
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quote:
Originally posted by cwinc
...recently aquired my 1967 250SL. ../.. wasn't sure about the rarity of a Pagoda with a rear jump seat and no convertible top
Certainly rare, but - a coupé version (no soft top) is, as Douglas Kim points out, no added and possibly a detriment to value. We have two 250SL 2+2 here in Sweden AFAIK, this is out of some 50 250SL in total.
From the German Club Pagode statistics, 2 to 3 percent of the W113 run today as 2+2 California Coupés. A number of 2+2's have been converted to fit a soft-top, but certainly less than 5 percent of the Pagodas left the factory as 2+2 California models
/Hans in Stockholm