Pagoda SL Group

W113 Pagoda SL Group => Drive train, fuel, suspension, steering & brakes => Topic started by: Peter on August 29, 2023, 12:39:35

Title: the clip has jumped off the chain
Post by: Peter on August 29, 2023, 12:39:35
On my 4 years ago fully restored engine (280SL-1969) with 10,000 miles,
the clip has jumped off the chain link. (see picture).

1) Has this ever happened to anyone?
2) What could causing this to happen after 4 years and 10,000 miles (and not much sooner)?

Thanks for help, Peter
Title: Re: the clip has jumped off the chain
Post by: Cees Klumper on August 29, 2023, 14:54:01
One of the key things is that the clip that secures this connecting link has to be fitted against the (clockwise) direction of travel, meaning it will naturally be 'kept in place' by the movement of the sprocket. Assuming that was indeed done, the only thing I can think of is that it wasn't seated properly when fitted - not 'clicked' into place tightly as it where. The other possibility is a manufacturing defect, that the clip was just too loose from the start.

(Last possibility that comes to my mind, but remote, is that the engine backfired/somehow 'shuddered', which unseated the clip.)
Title: Re: the clip has jumped off the chain
Post by: Pawel66 on August 29, 2023, 15:21:23
Was this chain connected by:

1. One clip?
2. Two clips?
3. Pressed?

Scary...
Title: Re: the clip has jumped off the chain
Post by: JohnnyC on August 29, 2023, 15:37:55
Did you find the Clip?

Cheers and God Bless,
John
Title: Re: the clip has jumped off the chain
Post by: Peter on August 29, 2023, 21:23:32
I will go down into the engine to find the clip and also hopefully the reason.

Apparently this is the first time this has happened to a club member's pagoda.
Title: Re: the clip has jumped off the chain
Post by: stickandrudderman on August 30, 2023, 17:18:58
In the 42 years I've been working on these cars I've never seen a chain shed a clip. The closest I've come is on a M100 engine where the clip was worn 90% of the way through as a result of fouling something along its route. The owner refused to allow me to strip the engine to find the cause; rather he told me to fit a new clip and he sold the car.  >:(
Title: Re: the clip has jumped off the chain
Post by: Benz Dr. on August 30, 2023, 19:14:29
Master link  should point towards the back of the engine.

 I've seen a couple of chain links in the bottom of oil pans while doing rebuilds and I'm sure this was from being dropped into the chain case. None of them looked damaged but I can imagine that part could land in between the chain and crank gear.
Title: Re: the clip has jumped off the chain
Post by: Peter on August 31, 2023, 10:08:44
Master link  should point towards the back of the engine.

If I understand "master link" correctly, it was done correctly? See the photo.
Title: Re: the clip has jumped off the chain
Post by: ja17 on September 01, 2023, 04:36:51
Yep, master link should be on the backside of the cam sprocket and the round end should be first in the direction of travel. Most new timing chains are using the two "c" clips instead of the one double clip.