Pagoda SL Group
W113 Pagoda SL Group => Body, interior, paint, chrome, and cosmetic items => Topic started by: jsaylor on June 11, 2005, 03:29:28
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Having just had new floors and rocker panels instaled I'd love some input on the best undercoating solutions for my ;65 239SL. Any input would be appreciated,
Thanks,
Jim Saylor
Kauai, Hawaii
'65 230SL
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Hello Jim,
Be sure to clean the welds and bare metal with a wire brush or by sanding. Use a good rust inhibative primer on any bare metal. The Eastwood Company carries many restoration products. Also Rustoleum "rusty metal primer" is a good product (available locally) and will brush on easily. Use a finish top paint over primer then undercoat the areas. The factory used an "body schultz" (speeling?) which was a water based, thick, rubberized undercoat. A special "body schultz gun" is used to get the exact original texture. This product will accept a finish paint topcoat. The special gun is fairly inexpensive. I have used the Seikens "body schuttz" which I have been told was an original manufacturer for Mercedes. It worked very well and when using the gun the texture was perfect.
I have also used the 3M rubberized undercoat in the past. It has it's own applicator built in the aeriosol cans. The texture is not quite correct but it is a good product.
Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
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JOE,
dO YOU KNOW A SUPPLIER FOR THE "BODY SCHULTZ"?
RON GRICIUS
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Hi Ron, I have seen a version of Body Schutz (from schutzen -- to protect) available at most automotive paint stores. 3M I think. There was just a thread discussing Wurth undercoating which may have been the true original material. The 3M looks to be close enough.
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I think Wurth Undercoating is still available. Check in the web, for Worth products.
Bob
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Wurth is no longer available. There were a few cans on Ebay last week but they are gone.
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I think Wurth Undercoating is still available. Check in the web, for Wurth products
I found this link for Wurth in the US:
http://www.servicesupply.com/ (http://www.servicesupply.com/)
On this link, choose your country:
http://www.wuerth.com/web/en/wuerthcom/wrthweltweit/wrthweltweit_1/groupaddresses.php (http://www.wuerth.com/web/en/wuerthcom/wrthweltweit/wrthweltweit_1/groupaddresses.php)
These products below is what I use. I do not know if all Wurth Product ID are available in all markets
The rubber-based undercoating is Product No 0892 010
A good protective undercoating wax to go on top is Product No 0892 079
/Hans in Sweden
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any photo from original pagode. . . or any from congours restore. . l
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any photo from original pagode. . . or any from congours restore. .
Here is the underside of an original 280SL, off the Motoringinvestments.com (http://Motoringinvestments.com) website
Note the light body-schutz with remains of wax overspray (the dark brown areas), as
well as the basic primer grey-brown showing in the transmission tunnel area, and red spray unevenly
dimming and becoming less, from the sides towards middle of car.
Note: exhaust pipes have been renewed (replaced)
/Hans in Sweden
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Hi--
Check out this 3M rubberized undercoating in Beige.
http://www.autobodytoolmart.com/3m-rocker-schutz-beige-08874-p-11268.aspx
I haven't used the beige, but the black is great stuff.
Joe
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WHO KNOWS THE ORIGINAL THINK FOR UNDERCOATING. .
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For my 1971 280 SL project I used a different 3M product for the undercoating. It's called 3M 08800 Sprayable sealer.
It is best applied with a special spray gun from 3m(shown in the link) that gives a crinkle effect and with some practice you can
create a texture similar to the factory undercoating.
It's an amazing 2k product superior to anything else I've tried from Wurth and others.
Not cheap but worth it.
http://catalogue.3m.eu/en_eu/eu-aad/Sealers/3M_Sprayable_Sealer/Two_Part_Sprayable_Sealer/Two_Part_Sprayable_Sealer~08800 (http://catalogue.3m.eu/en_eu/eu-aad/Sealers/3M_Sprayable_Sealer/Two_Part_Sprayable_Sealer/Two_Part_Sprayable_Sealer~08800)
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THIS PHOTO IS FROM MECHATRONIK GERMANY. HAT ABOUT THE UNDERECOATING US U CAN SEE..
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The BBB lists the underbody protection as being "Teroson Caoutchouc Underside Protection Antirombo 2021" , I did try to find out more about this but did not get very far. I ended up using http://www.wurth.co.uk/catalogue/pdfs/UK-CD_08_0566.pdf (http://www.wurth.co.uk/catalogue/pdfs/UK-CD_08_0566.pdf) , this gave the closest finish to the original
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Hello hkollan,
That looks like factory texture to me! Very much the same as the Sekkens Product I used to use with the special spray gun
Joe
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The spray on bed liners seem to be pretty popular and so far I've only heard good things about it. Anyone try any of this on their under body?
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I have considered Dupli-Color Bed Armor. It is water-based polyurethane with Kevlar. It would be exceedingly durable. The downside is it is only available in black but it is paintable.
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I have considered Dupli-Color Bed Armor. It is water-based polyurethane with Kevlar. It would be exceedingly durable. The downside is it is only available in black but it is paintable.
I think that bed liner might be a bit too stiff. MB undercoating is pretty pliable stuff that I have yet been able to duplicate. Texture duplication is a challenge but possible with several different products out there.
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That's the difference with the Dupli-color stuff. It's a water-based paint with Kevlar in it that remains pliable.
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That's the difference with the Dupli-color stuff. It's a water-based paint with Kevlar in it that remains pliable.
Well I might have to try it out then!