Pagoda SL Group

W113 Pagoda SL Group => General Discussion => Topic started by: Pawel66 on May 21, 2021, 22:43:37

Title: W113 220SL
Post by: Pawel66 on May 21, 2021, 22:43:37
I found it interesting: https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=2906808882966920&set=a.1377475112566979
Title: Re: W113 220SL
Post by: JamesL on May 22, 2021, 06:09:44
Interesting how the rear window detail, arches and rear quarters are barely different to the launch but it looks so much more “of the 50s” than a 60s car
Title: Re: W113 220SL
Post by: lreppond on May 22, 2021, 06:22:43
Notice the one piece hubcaps instead of two piece ones.   
Title: Re: W113 220SL
Post by: Mike Hughes on May 22, 2021, 21:04:08
. . . and the Italian style recessed pull handles on the doors.
Title: Re: W113 220SL
Post by: Pawel66 on May 22, 2021, 23:56:38
It makes an impression of being more "bubble like". The roof, rear fenders, rocker panels... I do not know if it is about us getting used to the shape we know and admire or just the actual lines that went alive look better, but... they do look better.
Title: Re: W113 220SL
Post by: Merc_Girl on May 23, 2021, 01:07:48
Mom, not keen

Looks more of an American style than Germanic?
Title: Re: W113 220SL
Post by: georgem on May 23, 2021, 02:08:50
......and it could`nt be called a Pagoda - check the roof
Title: Re: W113 220SL
Post by: Garry on May 23, 2021, 04:26:32
It has a considerably bigger hip line running right into the door.
Title: Re: W113 220SL
Post by: Bonnyboy on May 24, 2021, 17:25:16
Very cool.....Sort of like a Facel Vega and a 53 corvette were great grandparents.   I really like the more pronounced cutout of the door to the rear body panel.   
Title: Re: W113 220SL
Post by: Mike Hughes on May 24, 2021, 19:40:32
It has a considerably bigger hip line running right into the door.

Good call.  I was wondering why the rear end looked so heavy but thought it was simply the missing chrome rub strip.

It must have been a static mock up, no exhaust pipes are evident.
Title: Re: W113 220SL
Post by: zak on May 24, 2021, 20:24:35
Good find, Pawel. Yes, the roof and whitewall tires really date it to the 50's. If I squint my eyes I almost imagine rear fins from that era. Like those early Sunbeam Alpine radical rear fins.
Definitely not timeless like the final production version, I agree.
Is there a comprehensive book out about the 113 creation and design?  I bought the book on the MB 107's by Autos Forever. It had all this great info and period and color photos including different full scale design studies for the body design evolution. It's interesting to see how a few subtle changes can make or break a car timeless.

jz   
Title: Re: W113 220SL
Post by: mdsalemi on May 24, 2021, 21:17:10
Hardly a find...with all due respect to our friend Pawel.

That is an old photo that's been on the Daimler Classic Archives Media site since, well, forever. There are more; this was not the only design exercise of the Pagoda, but one of them that was taken to full scale model. Curiously, many of the full scale models of MBs of that era show those large "gangster" style whitewall tires; all the more curious since Europeans generally despised WW tires (and for the most part still do). So it's kind of laughable.

One page I did in the Pagoda Style book noted a number of Paul Bracq design exercises for "what would become" the Pagoda...for the newbies (those who were not here on the forums in 2009-2011) Pagoda Style was a book I designed and produced and was released in 2011. This is a one-page excerpt.
Title: Re: W113 220SL
Post by: Tyler S on May 25, 2021, 03:39:07
Model is the key word. None of those cars had running gear or even the ability to roll on their own wheels in some cases. This one even sports the chicken wire dash vents.
Title: Re: W113 220SL
Post by: JamesL on May 25, 2021, 05:43:52
It is a coop after all
Title: Re: W113 220SL
Post by: stickandrudderman on May 25, 2021, 07:17:03
It is a coop after all

Bdm tsh!
Title: Re: W113 220SL
Post by: mdsalemi on May 25, 2021, 16:16:55
Model is the key word...the chicken wire [dash vents]

Of course y'all realize that the clay modeling is built on "chicken wire" or a wire frame, and hence the moniker "wire frame" in what is now today known as 3D modeling on a computer...