Pagoda SL Group
W113 Pagoda SL Group => Drive train, fuel, suspension, steering & brakes => Topic started by: teahead on July 08, 2019, 00:09:20
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New one is paper (right)... Cool?
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Different brands have various construction methods but most are OK to use. I would not, in any case, use a filter that's doesn't have metal ends.
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Usually those non-original metal filters are shorter by about 5mm than the paper-sided original and if so, they will not seal correctly with the upper seal, inside the filter housing. If you place the filters side by side you may see a difference in the height of the two.
Some brands of filters are listed by brand in the data booklets and approved by the factory. In general stick with a good name brand (Knect, Mann, Hengst, Bosch etc.). You can also purchase a factory filter from your local MB dealer and they are not expensive. Also remember that the most critical rubber seal is not included in the oil filter kit. Tragically this seal is often left out. This seal in the filter housing, seals the top of the filter and it must be in place or your oil will not be filtered. It is a separate part and it must be ordered separately. Search up the information on this site. You will find lots of photos and part numbers. This is important for the life of your engine.
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Hi guys , how about the bosch oil filter ? In my local autoparts I always find the bosch filter available for our car . Do you think is an oem and has the same quality as Mann and the others ?
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The Mercedes Benz filter insert available at the dealers is A 000 180 00 09 (I was checking for 230SL engine, as this is the one you have, but the same PN is there for 280SL as well). It costs ca $15 in my geography. The set contains the filter element, the big round gasket for the top of the housing and the seal ring for the oil plug that you also need to replace as well as the seal for the long screw holing the filter that is also good to replace.
The seal ja17 is referring to is PN A 000 184 33 80 and is about $ 7. It is probably an overkill, but I replace it every time I replace the filter.
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Thanks Pawel but I have the 250SL , could you check the part number for the 250SL ? By the way the bosch oil filter has the same gasket kit too.
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Certainly, I checked, it is the same parts number for both the filter insert set and for the seal.
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Thanks for your advices guys . Now I’m starting to be worried because I don’t know if this seal it’s installed or not . I will change the oil once again and put a new one . I found also available from sls shop . So one seal goes on the top of the filter and one at the bottom. I didn’t understand the function of this seal in the picture , n40.
It should seal the long bolt but there is already a seal included in the regular oil filter kit to seal the bolt. Is a copper washer I guess .
Anyway , without the upper filter seal , the oil is not filtered at all or it just filtered 50%?
My oil looks always very black but I think is not a filter fault but probably because I have a rich mixture issue .
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I only use the Mann H 720 X Filter, which I think was what MB used originally. I buy it from the classic center mostly with some other stuff. I think I paid $12.00 for it.
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mauro, the critical seal ja17 was pointing out (37 on the picture) sometimes stays in the upper part of filter housing, does not come off as you remove the filter element, it stays up there. It may not feel like rubber anymore.
Replacing the seal at the very bottom of the filter canister may get a bit tricky, I remember...
Do you want part numbers for all of the seals? I cannot believe SLS + shipment makes it so much less expensive than dealers prices...
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Yes Paweł thank you . It would be great to have all part numbers ready . It makes the job easier for me and the Mb dealer . I’ve never noticed about this rubber seal on the top of the housing . Probably is still there but is like a piece of wood .
Rubbers parts n 39 and 40 in the picture are not critical ? What is the function of this seals ? Why is it complicated to put in place ?
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Oil change parts -
Oil filter kit (000-180-00-09)
Inner rubber oil filter seal (000-184-33-80)
“Hat” seal ring (000-184-17-80)
Inner seal (000-184-32-80)
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Gary gave you the part numbers - the kit and "critical" seal I wrote before and the two other ones. This kit contains several elements that you need.
Upper and bottom seals are there to separate inside of the filter from outside of the filter so yes, they are all important.
The hat seal (bottom one) is tricky to replace - you need to, if I remember correctly, gently and patiently pry up the metal piece that is holding it. Here is more on that: https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=29618.msg214296#msg214296
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By the way, I just wanted to make sure you have seen this: https://www.sl113.org/wiki/Engine/Lubrication
Lots of info. The procedure of oil change is good too.
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Thank you guys now is clear . I’ve always had some minor leaks from the oil filter canister . Maybe these leaks depends from the hard rubber of the seals . I will change the oil ASAP
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There are a couple of places for leakage:
1. Top seal, the relatively big, thin ring - make sure you do not install two of them by mistake. Dip it in oil before installation so that it finds its place easily and without damage. The filter "bucket" needs to come very near the top housing, evenly around.
2. The seal under the long bolt head, at the bottom of the canister - needs to be new.
3. Fittings on top of the filter housing - they need to have metal seals (you do not replace them during oil change). But you may try to tighten them if it is them leaking.
If you wash the filter, then you will see exactly where the leaks are coming from.
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Thank you Paweł for your help as always . You have putted me in doubts about this upper seal. Maybe is still there but I’ve never realized . Is there a visible difference between oem filters like bosch or Mann and the genuine mercedes ?
What is the cost of the genuine mercedes ?
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Mauro,
Of one thing I am sure, that MB does not make the filters itself. They buy it, most surely from a reputable firm like Mann or similar, and sell it to you at a markup. Why not buy it directly from Mann or Bosch or any of the many high quality automobile parts and systems oem suppliers? Very likely, these firms themselves buy the filters from second tier suppliers, but they have good quality control, so they make sure that the product they buy meets the manufacturer's (MB) specifications. But buying an oil filter from MB "because it is MB" is not giving you a better filter, juste a more expensive one.
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Thank you Paweł for your help as always . You have putted me in doubts about this upper seal. Maybe is still there but I’ve never realized . Is there a visible difference between oem filters like bosch or Mann and the genuine mercedes ?
What is the cost of the genuine mercedes ?
mauro, I gave you this information already: "The Mercedes Benz filter insert available at the dealers is A 000 180 00 09 (I was checking for 230SL engine, as this is the one you have, but the same PN is there for 280SL as well). It costs ca $15 in my geography. The set contains the filter element, the big round gasket for the top of the housing and the seal ring for the oil plug that you also need to replace as well as the seal for the long screw holing the filter that is also good to replace."
The reason to buy from Mercedes would be that the price difference is very small vs. internet store, you just drive to the nearest dealer so you do not pay for shipment and most importantly you get a parts set with things you need and you would have to buy them separately otherwise (3 other parts).
You buy this set, you buy the "critical" seal, you buy the other two items Gary gave you numbers for and you are good to go.
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The attached figure may help...
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Thank you guys . Luckily we have all of you and this forum . Otherwise many things would have been unknown . Especially such important things like the oil filtration .
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Hi guys, I just went to my local mb dealer and I bought the oil filter and the rubber seals at the top of the housing . Here in Italy I payed 17€ for the filter and 10€ for the upper seal ( critical seal).
In addition i bought also brakes pads: 70€ for the front and 90€ for the back .
I was just wondering if mb genuine filter for our car is made by regular papaer like Mann filters or it’s made by fleece .
The parts will come in the next few days , the dealer didn’t have any of them available . The upper seal and the oil filter will come directly from Germany . He told me that no mb dealers in Italy had this parts available , for this reason they will come from mb in Germany .
He told me that I’m the first person who asked spare parts for W113 chassis.
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These are the parts I buy from MB for my oil changes.
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Basically it’s a Mann filter with mb logo. There is no difference between a mann filter and genuine mb.
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Told you so...
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I thought that mb genuine filter was different and maybe better quality than Mann or Bosch .
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No, the Mann Filter and the MB Mann Filter is the same thing. I bought it before from Napa, which takes about a week to get,
I just buy it from MB because of the other parts I replace and the convenience, having just one order for all. Furthermore, with all discounts I am getting with the Classic Center I pay a reasonable price as well.
Best, Urban
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Why mercedes makes paper oil filter for our cars ? The genuine mb filters are made by fleece and their capacity to filter is much higher than paper . Is possible an upgrade for better filtration ?