Pagoda SL Group

W113 Pagoda SL Group => General Discussion => Topic started by: Garry on February 22, 2015, 11:44:33

Title: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: Garry on February 22, 2015, 11:44:33
Here is a photo of a 280SL Pagoda on display at an All European Car Show today.  It did really well and won the overall best car in show

Look closely at it and list the things incorrect in the photo. There are a couple but a cigar for the person finding the funny error.

Garry

Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: mbzse on February 22, 2015, 11:56:26
Well, putting the blue sticker for the Brake booster onto the forward part of the valve cover is certainly a candidate... ;-)
/Hans in Sweden


THE PRIZE TO HANS
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: Baybear on February 22, 2015, 12:30:38
Well the steering wheel is on the wrong side for starters. ;) and those seat belt buckles.
Will

NO STEERING WHEEL ON THE RIGHT SIDE ;D  YEP THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE BUCKLES
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: Rodolfo on February 22, 2015, 12:37:25
you can't let the passenger drive the car, in my opinion.

RIGHT SIDE WRONG SIDE, NUP, RIGHT SIDE.
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: kampala on February 22, 2015, 12:39:19
White Steering Wheel with Black Gear-shift Knob  CORRECT

Radiator expansion tank -- weren't these always black?  CORRECT

What about the "Daimler" window sticker on the hardtop side window?  ALMOST THE ANSWER

What's that black hose running from left side over the engine valve cover near the oil filler and to the right side?  INTERESTING ONE, I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: jameshoward on February 22, 2015, 12:51:18
Not the buckle release buttons, Garry? (Please say no, as I have the same issue on my car...).

ITS A SECRET JAMES IN FEAR YOU MAY KILL ME
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: mbzse on February 22, 2015, 15:07:18
Quote from: kampala
.../...What's that black hose running from left side over the engine valve cover near the oil filler and to the right side?
Yes Oz that´s an interesting one. Hose runs from the water entrance for the passenger compartment heater and - to where? They must have come up with some creative place to hook the end of that hose up to, he he  ???
/Hans in Sweden

HANS, IT MIGHT BE LIKE HIS LABELS, HE JUST DID NOT KNOW WHERE TO PUT IT :D
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: mbzse on February 22, 2015, 15:13:51
Quote from: kampala
.../.. Radiator expansion tank -- weren't these always black?
On later 280SL, they switched to an off-white plastic type. Introduced step by step during late 1970. Serial No 20 458 and gradually onwards, then from 22 306 in November fitted to all cars.
/Hans in Sweden
.

A BIT MORE KNOWLEDGE FOR ALL OF US
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: Khurram Darugar on February 22, 2015, 15:35:13
Missing door grab handles.....  ???

A RHD CAR SO ONLY ON THE LEFT PASSENGER SIDE
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: Norm on February 22, 2015, 16:14:29
It has the earlier hard map pockets instead of the soft ones.

Norm

THIS IS AN AUSTRALIAN/EURO CAR SO CORRECT POCKETS
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: bogeyman on February 22, 2015, 16:22:50
Seat belt buckles reversed   CORRECT
Windshield sticker from later cars on hardtop quarter window   NEARLY THE RIGHT ANSWER FOR A CIGAR
No rubber bumpers on hood torsion rod  CORRECT, HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM MUSELF
No rubber bumpers on top of firewall  CORRECT
White steering wheel/black shift knob  CORRECT
Carpet grommet around shifter s/b black rubber
Door pull missing  RHD CAR ONLY ON LH SIDE
Black rubber hose to nowhere??  CORRECT
Rearview mirror support s/b black CORRECT
No snaps in carpet??  UNCERTAIN OF THE CORRECT ANSWER
Rubber faced A pillar seal??  CORRECT IF THERE IS NO MATERIAL ON THE RUBBER.
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: Jonny B on February 22, 2015, 16:34:15
If a Euro version, the door pockets would still be the "hard pocket” type   CORRECT ITS AN AUSTRALIAN DELIVERED CAR
The door pull was not on the drivers door, only the passenger door; that is how it is configured on my early 250 SL  CORRECT
The small rubber hose on the overflow of the expansion tank, lots of folks (me included) put one there, but that was not on the original  CORRECT

Thought the support for the rearview mirror was satin finish? Some were black?  CORRECT

As others, indeed curious about the "black rubber hose to nowhere”  YA GOTTA PUT IT SOMEWHERE :D :D
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: 49er on February 22, 2015, 16:44:22
Fan shroud and rubber "blocks" on hood torsion bar missing.  CORRECT ON RUBBER BLOCKS.  WERE ALL 280’S FITTED WITH THE SHROUD?

John
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: pdc on February 22, 2015, 17:03:25
Wong door trim,

is from late 250 but without the door handle or - pull  NO THIS IS AN AUSTRALIAN CAR SO EURO SPECS.

Reading the other comments there seems quite a lot incorrect, I wonder how well the people who give points know all the details of these different cars.  THATS THE PROBLEM WITH COMPETITIONS.  NO ONE KNOWS ALL THE ANSWERS.



Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: mbzse on February 22, 2015, 20:01:05
Quote from: 49er
Fan shroud.../... missing.
Fan shrouds were only fitted on Pagoda of the US model (with A/C)
/Hans in Sweden
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Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: mbzse on February 22, 2015, 20:05:50
Quote from: Jonny B
If a Euro version.../... Thought the support for the rearview mirror was satin finish? Some were black?
Satin stem for the inner rear view mirror was on the US type Pagoda cars only (together with steering wheel horn ring, wiper arms etc.) Black stem for the inner rear view mirror was for 70's M-B, like W123 and perhaps late W114/115 Compact cars (and is what you get today, if you order a mirror from M-B Classic).
/Hans in Sweden
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture. For the Purists
Post by: Garry on February 22, 2015, 21:55:32
Most of those items listed I agree with and I have commented on each post but Hans gets the cigar.

This car won the MB Concourse last year as well.  What does that tell you about judging and all the judges went to judging school ???

The funny error was that the owner threw lots of money at the car and then purchased one of the generic sets of labels. Not knowing where they went, and not being a member of this Group and at least asking, proceeded to put all of them including all the 190SL ones all over the engine bay ‘and the side window’ and anywhere he thought they looked good. I have never seen so many lables on a car. This closer photo has three in it alone. The cam/rocker cover had four different stickers on it including the Brake Booster sticker!!!!!   :D  :D :D :D

Garry

Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: 49er on February 22, 2015, 22:14:33
Fan shrouds were only fitted on Pagoda of the US model (with A/C)
/Hans in Sweden
.

 No AC on mine but does have the shroud. Surprised to hear the euro models did not have the shroud as it seems it would be of benefit no matter where the car was driven?

John
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: Garry on February 22, 2015, 22:18:56
I also thought it was a 'hot weather' delivery location that had them, was it an option Hans?

Garry
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: mbzse on February 22, 2015, 22:37:34
Quote from: Garry
I also thought it was a 'hot weather' delivery location that had them, was it an option Hans?

There may well be more to find out (here) about this matter. I have never seen a Euro car that has one, only on US imports over here. It may be, MBNA liked for the shroud to be fitted and it was included in the SA for US delivery (on all W113, not just cars with A/C). Or, they were fitted by the dealers in the US(?).
I agree they would be useful in all hot climates!
I am sure we shall find out more about this
/Hans in Sweden
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: mnahon on February 23, 2015, 00:30:18
I beg to differ on the coolant expansion tank being wrong. If it's a late model (70-71), many of these were fitted with a white plastic expansion tank; not the black brass tank.
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: Garry on February 23, 2015, 00:34:02
Meyer,

You may be correct. I am not sure exactly what year 280SL it was but thought it was at least 1970.
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: 66andBlue on February 23, 2015, 01:16:30
This car won the MB Concourse last year as well.  What does that tell you about judging and all the judges went to judging school ???
It tells you that more than one judge learned how to judge!  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: waltklatt on February 23, 2015, 06:16:38
Not sure how others see it, but to me a common nuisance is the window winder handle positions.
When both windows open, the handles are pointing in different positions.  Ugh,  good restoration would point them in same position.
Another is the red light for the door open, I don't see the light on.

Walter
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: Flyair on February 23, 2015, 06:26:08
Garry,
Many thanks for this entertaining and funny exercise.

I am sure many readers of these posts rushed to their garages to check how those details were done in their cars :D

Thankfully, most if not all issues can be addressed and corrected quite easily, should you choose to pile up all the comments and past on to the owner. But maybe even better would be to pass them to those judges (who should be grateful for providing them some education) ???
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: Garry on February 23, 2015, 06:44:53
Stan,

Kate said that same thing on advising the MB Club so that they can update their judges.  There are a couple of very easy classic errors that would not take much to fix.  I would not be game to tell the owner, he does not take comment kindly as he is in the industry and flips some of the cars.

It is an interesting and good learning exercise and does allow everyone to look and see what may be wrong and then look at their own cars.  I think it is tho only way to get the knowledge on what is and isnt correct for the purest and also some very easy fixed just for the daily drivers as well.   I know there were several I did not know were right or wrong.  I might make it a monthly segment on the Forum.  So long as some are happy to have their cars picked to bits. :o   

I will start with a photo from mine next month ;D
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: Flyair on February 23, 2015, 07:17:41
Garry,

this is how the great ideas come up!
Running a thread that would somewhat complement the Motoring investments, but in more practical way and with discussion, would be a fantastic initiative. In fact this is what this forum has done since inception, but maybe a fresh view would not hurt :)
Thanks (and off course regards to Kate :))
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: mbzse on February 23, 2015, 09:17:13
Quote from: waltklatt
.../... the window winder handle positions.../...
Being the thorough company that it is, Mercedes had a specification for this, too... :D

M-B say, the button of the handle should point upwards at an angle; toward the lower corner of the windshield; i.e. 10 O'clock position when the right side window is fully closed.
I attach here that page from the Workshop manual, section 72-4.
/Hans in Sweden
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Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: jameshoward on February 23, 2015, 09:58:04
No AC on mine but does have the shroud. Surprised to hear the euro models did not have the shroud as it seems it would be of benefit no matter where the car was driven?

John

Ditto. Mine is a US late 230.
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: batman on February 23, 2015, 10:15:12
Garry,

I recall that the info sheet on the front seat of this winning car said "1971".

I asked the owner how often he drove the car, he looked at me slightly shocked and said...he NEVER drives it. He said that about once every 4 weeks he starts it and lets it idle for 20-30 minutes. When I asked him how he got enjoyment from such a beautiful car he said through showing it and selling them.



Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: RobSirg on February 26, 2015, 03:00:28
There are many other "oddities" with this car including the strange wipers, the 107 series fuel pump and a lot of additional wiring in the engine bay ( which appeared to be too many wires for an alarm system). I'm still not certain about the plastic coolant reservoir - he has it installed around the wrong way in any case, and the clamps are yellow zinc instead of silver......
Last year this car won about 4 awards at the concours - it totally cleaned up. Mine ran runners up to this car last year in its class, despite not having any of these "oddities" listed by everyone.

I guess that was my fault, I must have entered in the "pimp my ride class" by mistake....ouch!  ;D

It was still a very enjoyable day as I never tire of hearing compliments about our beautiful cars and it was enjoyable critiquing the winning cars with Gary.

Cheers

Rob
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: glenn on March 02, 2015, 01:40:28
Just proves MB never built two alike..............
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: Gary Crutchley on March 03, 2015, 06:45:05
The guy who can't seem to get his camera working is bit of an oddity - I can say that without fear because ........ it's me!

I enjoyed reading this thanks to everyone who contributed!
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: Garry on March 04, 2015, 04:07:44
As you can see Gary, never use your photos taken of this car as reference for correctness ???
Title: Re: What is wrong with this picture
Post by: Gary Crutchley on March 04, 2015, 07:28:23
Guess what Garry - That's what I was doing!  And that's why I had a camera in lieu of the phone.  I actually really enjoyed talking to the owners.  Mine is a 230SL and it's a never ending work in progress but our mate in Croydon looks after me very well.
cheers