Pagoda SL Group
W113 Pagoda SL Group => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dave H on September 22, 2014, 16:53:20
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http://kahndesign.com/automobiles/automobiles_available_detail.php?i=735#
Gorgeous looking 250...
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Are Hankook tires consedered as 'concours'? Or should Cooker Phoenix or Vredstein Sprint Classic be more accurate? Otherwise nice looking.
/Johan
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Did a little upgrade to Becker Digital Radio.
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The green stuff that makes up for the petrol cap means probably that the car is compliant with environmental norms ;D
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I think this is the one that sold at the Brooklands Auction recently for a LOT of money. Although I think it was around half of what its up for now!
Edit: I found it
http://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2014-08-30/cars/1967-mercedes-benz-250sl-pagoda.aspx?p=1
94K!
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I must say it's a beautiful colour combination. IMO that has been a common occurrence in some of these crazy priced examples.
I've got the same Hankook's on mine........maybe that is why it was only runner-up last year's concours ;D
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I have met the vendor a few times but don't know where he gets these ideas from. It is completely nonsense pricing, especially given he just bought it for 94k.
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I've got the same Hankook's on mine........maybe that is why it was only runner-up last year's concours ;D
And I've got Toyo's on mine... (White walls :D)
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indeed the price is nonsens, BUT it's smart, he gets a lot of attention and stands out with it, and after all that is what he needs as a seller. It's free marketing and everyone talks about it. Who would have given it so much attention if it was offered at 90K ?
Aside from that, imo such a car isn't worth that but who cares , he will not get that amount but he'll get curious interested people and one will make an offer that the seller will accept. Seems he has a lot of room to negotiate and still make good money.
Now having looked at the pictures I noticed some strange details, especially the paint of the dash seems kinda strange but maybe it's the picture quality. Also the nose of the car seems to low.
Anyway it's fun to be able to just share thoughts with this group of pagoda owners, I love to check this place out once in a while. I admit ... happens that I check it out 3 times a day. Not every day though ;)
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High ASKING prices do not define the market. Indicative of a trend, sure. But I wouldn't use the term a new high unless that was a sale price.
I could ask $750,000 for my 190SL. That would be the highest I've ever seen, but that doesn't mean its worth that.
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I like the little detail that it comes with a special key ring… :-D
Ulf
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8 previous owners and only 3,875 miles? That's either incorrect or a pitiable waste of a great car.
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Its done 113K miles
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Cars in the uk have shot up in dealers recently ,one concourse sold for £190k ,I think it can still be found on william loughran cars in the sold section ,there is another car for sale . Here is the discription Hope I'm not breaking any rules posting this , 2 Registered Keepers, Completely restored RHD Mercedes-Benz 280 SL Pagoda Automatic finished in Bronze Brown Metallic. The Mercedes SL Pagoda is one of the most recognisable cars to wear the three-pointed star on its bonnet. The car was produced in its most powerful "280" guise from 1967-1971 and widely recognised as the best to drive, mainly due to the increased power. We are incredibly fortunate to be able to offer a perfect example of a 280 Pagoda; a car that has just undergone a year-long restoration project creating a vehicle that is better than when it rolled off the production line in 1969. The car itself has only had 3 owners in its life and the full history is presented wi. th the car, including especially rare original factory specification datacards. However, the stunning history of the car can be overshadowed by the incredible crafstmanship that has gone in to making this 280 one of the best in the world. It is impossible to list in this advert all that has been done on this car, however in the 2,500 hours spent on it, no expense has been spared. Not only has the car enjoyed a full respray and re-chrome, there has also been a full re-trim and all of the mechanical parts have either been replaced in accordance with original specification, or removed and meticulously restored to a perfect condition. Furthermore, there has also been full new Bosch electrics fitted to the car, on top of new fuel pumps and injectors - this car is brand new in every way! ...More, £200,000
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Do these recent highs reflect what it takes today to bring a car back to "as new " in the UK today?
I'm not talking a quick "wash it's face"cosmetic restoration here.
I'm talking every item back to as good as new function .
Only a couple of years ago parts were still relatively inexpensive and readily available .
Rust free complete donor cars picked up for buttons.
Everybody's jumped on the band wagon these last two years and prices for spares on e bay are now a joke.
So I will ask again ....
Do these recent highs reflect what it takes today to bring a car back to "as new " in the UK today ?
When a no holds barred restoration is begun it makes no difference be it 230, 250 or 280.
Your still going to end up stumping up at least £90,000 to a good resto house plus the £35,000 for the car .
That's just for starters.
So sure these sellers want to earn a bit of profit on top otherwise why bother ..
The alternative is doing it yourself but this takes every waking minute of two years and could well put you in hospital (ask Andy)
I'm 2 years into a full rotisserie resto myself and I'm up to £90,000 all in and still no where near the end.
With hindsight I should of handed over the £70,000 which was the price of a top notch pagoda 2 years ago.
But .... Then I would of learned nothing and as they say " it's not the getting there, it's the journey . :)
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Sadly, a bolts and nuts restoration is usually more expensive than the car will be worth on the market once finished. Price of parts and project cars have gone up, making things worse. Top notch cars have also gone up big time. But how much did it take to get them there? Even more.
Buying a fully restored car is a better deal than restoring one. You pay market price, and will resell market price, with a profit if the value of the car goes up. The loss is for the one who paid for the restoration.
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Interesting colour combination with the silver hardtop. Notwithstanding the price, it seems like a very nice car.
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Do these recent highs reflect what it takes today to bring a car back to "as new " in the UK today?
I'm not talking a quick "wash it's face"cosmetic restoration here.
I'm talking every item back to as good as new function .
Only a couple of years ago parts were still relatively inexpensive and readily available .
Rust free complete donor cars picked up for buttons.
Everybody's jumped on the band wagon these last two years and prices for spares on e bay are now a joke.
So I will ask again ....
Do these recent highs reflect what it takes today to bring a car back to "as new " in the UK today ?
When a no holds barred restoration is begun it makes no difference be it 230, 250 or 280.
Your still going to end up stumping up at least £90,000 to a good resto house plus the £35,000 for the car .
2years ago Silchester Garage was asking 95k to source a W113 and a total restoration, a year ago it was 150k they are now asking 200k. Cost a not have increased that much in 2years.
Paul