Pagoda SL Group
W113 Pagoda SL Group => General Discussion => Topic started by: stickandrudderman on June 03, 2013, 07:46:56
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It's been brought to my attention that it's possible that parts availability and prices might be influenced by posts made on this forum and others like it.
What's the concensus among the membership? Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
Stick
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Easy answer
If "wanted" type posts increase the likelihood of parts being available or remade = great
If those same wanted posts increase prices = not so great....
Can't say I'm surprised. If I was int he parts or any other business, some indication of demand is surely better than none
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Very interesting subject.
I have been saying for several years now that too many people on the forum are gushing about the 'great' increases in the value of our cars such that we are now seeing it having an effect on the pricing of spares to support them. And Colin I fully endorse your comment that forums like this can have a negative effect on availability and pricing. As such I decided to stockpile certain items over the past two years and I am guilty of it myself in some of the items I have stacked away as an investment only, I expect an increase in value and I will eventually sell them when I can make 1000% improvement on cost (or I need them for my car again). I bet you labour rates have not kept pace with the parts prices!!!!!
An example. I was one of the 250 people who ordered new ZF gearboxes two years ago when ZF went out seeking expressions of interest. Only 250 were to be and have been made. Cost $10,500 Aust. Payment due two months ago. One I ordered landed in Australia two weeks ago Now they sell for $14,500 Aust.. I handed it to the new owner of my 280SL 5 speed (who paid the landed price for it) and who got the benifit of the increases on that one but it is a great example. I should have purchased five :o ;)
I think it is a really bad thing presently with parts suppliers price gouging in the market place but in the long run it may in fact bring new producers into the arena and the prices may fall similar to the MG or Jag or even VW Kombi parts pricing where everything, and I mean everything is now available, all reproduction but heaps cheaper.
Garry
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I think it's a good thing Colin. Transparency in markets generally drives efficiency.
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as these cars supposedly increase in value so will the price of the associated parts. Close to 100,000 dollars, pounds or euros for a good car are out of range for most enthusiasts who want to enjoy a car and dare park one on the roadside or public carpark. Remember the peak of the housing boom a few years age? things can change in the car market too.
neil
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I have always believed that more information is good information. Sure, there might be short-term wrinkles in pricing as a result of irrational exuberance or just plain misinformation. But the efficiency of the net to vet truth from fiction is, imo, better than the "truth" promulgated by vendor-driven "commercial" markets. That is the power of forums like the Pagoda SL Group. There are no more knowledgable people in the world than what is contained in the expertise of members here.
g
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Stick,
Very interesting observation. It should be no surprise that vendors of W113 items are following this and other sites for clues, as in such a narrow market like ours, this is an authoritative source of information.
Nevertheless, I think that our "Wanted to buy" chapter mostly serves people that try to find sources of spares at prices that are below those announced by professional vendors (read: more acceptable, yet still not cheap :))
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A few months ago we had a discussion of 230SL throttle linkage dashpots. They were unavailable and 30 year-old technology. At that time, after extensive searching, I found one that would work with a "readjustment" of the position of the dashpot in the bracket. I don't remember what carburetor application it was from but anyway I identified it and it was still available among the U.S. muscle car sources for $10 or $15. I saw one recently on eBay, advertised for a Pagoda, for about $80. Maybe we should limit our knowledge of difficult-to-find parts and their prices to the Full Member Board. At least those who sign up and pay membership might be somewhat protected from abuse of this group's special knowledge. There is such a thing as being too helpful and stimulating abuse. I have learned my lesson.
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Tom,
it is frustrating indeed when one finds a useful part, posts about it here so others can benefit from it, and then sees the result of ones labor exploited. Unfortunately even if we discuss such finds only in the Full Member Board it may not help much. Many vendors are more than willing to pay our low cost membership just to get the kind of information you provided.
The example you mentioned is a case in point: http://www.ebay.com/itm/261206909194
The seller is a member here and probably found the parts thanks to your efforts. Not much you can do about it except to remember whom to avoid next time you buy something.
But that should not stop us from helping members here with difficult-to-find parts.