Pagoda SL Group

W113 Pagoda SL Group => Drive train, fuel, suspension, steering & brakes => Topic started by: DavidBrough on November 11, 2011, 15:07:16

Title: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: DavidBrough on November 11, 2011, 15:07:16

I'm having a bit of trouble fathoming out the exact routing of the  fuel and brake lines at the back axle end and wonder if anyone has a photos of this area that might help me.

Thanks

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: merrill on November 12, 2011, 12:45:15

there are some great photos on this site

http://www.motoringinvestments.com/MainPage.htm

these are for a 280 sl

http://www.motoringinvestments.com/MainPage.htm

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: mdsalemi on November 13, 2011, 18:41:01

Don't forget thelews extensive photographic mapping of the underside of his car!

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: DavidBrough on November 14, 2011, 12:16:27

Thanks guys, I've already tried the Motoring Investments site but it doesn't have what I'm looking for. I've tried to find thelews pictures but I'm not having much luck, does anyone have the link?

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: mdsalemi on November 14, 2011, 13:19:41

David--contact John (thelews) through the site here.  He used to have a link on his signature, but I think it might be gone.

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: merrill on November 15, 2011, 01:55:04

what area do you need?

I would suggest looking thru all the photos on the motoring investments site, even the cars for sale.

you may find what you need....

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: DavidBrough on November 15, 2011, 12:17:27

Thanks guys thelews sent me some pictures which sorted me out.

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: DavidBrough on November 22, 2011, 08:27:46

Take 2, the front this time!

I seem to be having a bit more trouble with the routing of my fuel lines but at the front this time. TheLews kindly helped me out with some excellent pictures of the rear which is now all OK but I was wondering if anyone with a right hand drive car could help me with how they enter the engine bay. One pipe seems to be shorter and is very hard and took a lot of force to bend, I think that’s the feed pipe, the other is smaller and much more malleable but seems to be very long so could route up along the footwell and firewall. The pictures I have before I took things apart seem to show the pipes running under the idler support as they are now but are not good enough to see properly and the lines may have been replaced incorrectly at some stage.

Also, it seems to me that there should be a clamp on the inside of the chassis leg as I have a drilled hole but no clamps left over so I don’t think one was there when I took it apart. I attach some pictures of the area in question and wonder if anyone can help?

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: Larry & Norma on November 22, 2011, 10:36:36

Hi David,
Not too sure how original my car is, brake lines have certainly been renewed. I have 2 fuel lines and a brake line bundled together
as they come under the bottom of the bulkhead. the brake line runs between the bulkhead and the steering idler. The fuel supply
and return run the other side of the idler. There is not a drilled hole on my car, also the plugged hole(s) are not there. Do you have
a replacement chassis leg? Its a bit difficult getting a camera in there with the engine in situ.
Hope this helps.
Larry

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: DavidBrough on November 22, 2011, 11:42:11

Thanks Larry that certainly helps and it seems that your set up is the same as I have in the pictures. I don't have a new chassis leg but I do have a lot more holes in the body which were drilled to allow drainage when it was dipped, the small hole I thought could hold a bracket does look original though as it has the thread marks of a self tapper in it.

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: Naj ✝︎ on November 22, 2011, 12:29:04

Hi, David,

I could be hijacking but

Can you post a picture of how the rubber fuel pipes are routed from the fuel tank?
I need to replace some cracked ones and would like to get the right.

Thanks
Naj

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: DavidBrough on November 22, 2011, 13:44:50

Hi Naj,

These are all I have at the moment but I'll take some more and post them later.

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: Naj ✝︎ on November 22, 2011, 15:03:42

Thanks, David.

Naj

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: DavidBrough on November 22, 2011, 19:41:45

Hi NaJ,

A Few more photos, hope they help.

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: badali on November 22, 2011, 21:47:05

In the #7 responce the last photo looks like the line is bent or kinked.  You should check it before going further incase there is a problem with it.

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: DavidBrough on November 24, 2011, 13:36:47

You're quite right Brad, I damaged it during bending so I need to get another one and take more care.

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: Neil Thompson on November 24, 2011, 19:09:04

David, please see attached my front end fuel lines etc which I hope are of use to you. The car, at the moment is original. I will send some more on another reply. If you need high res please email me.

Neil

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: Neil Thompson on November 24, 2011, 19:14:49

More photos

Neil

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: Naj ✝︎ on November 24, 2011, 20:03:57

Back to the rear   ::)

Have any of you got the bracket circled in red?

Should the main rubber fuel pipe (to engine) be secured to it with a 'P' clip or similar?

Naj

Picture borrowed from MotoringInvestments

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: Neil Thompson on November 24, 2011, 20:35:11

This is the back of mine Naj, had an in line filter and fresh pipe at sometime so not sure if any help

Neil

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: DavidBrough on November 29, 2011, 12:50:29

Hi Naj,

If you mean the clamp that can be seen in picture 1 from my rear fuel lines post it's an additional fuel tank support according to Gavin Edwards.

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: Naj ✝︎ on November 29, 2011, 16:47:27

Hi, Neil,

Thanks for the pictures.
Confirms there is a 'P' clip (sharing a stud with the coffee can) securing the main pipe to the engine.

Thanks also to David for Gavin Edwards comment. There seems to be someting there in Brian Peter's picture but not quite clear. We'll have to keep digging!

Naj

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: tel76 on November 29, 2011, 21:32:25

Hello Naj,
The small bracket that you have a query with is a 90 degree piece of metal ,the top section (the part that goes to the tank has a piece of rubber moulded to it to act an insulation/vibration damper) and the other end has an elongated hole in it so that you can adjust the tension.

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: Naj ✝︎ on December 04, 2011, 12:55:01

Hi, Erik,

I have found a picture from Motoring Investments albums.

Is there a spacer between the two brackets?

Naj

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: tel76 on December 05, 2011, 09:05:18

Hello Naj,
There are three flat plain washers fitted to my car (these would be origional as the fuel tank did not appear to have been off since day one) ,presumably plain washers were used so that the position of the bracket could be located fully onto the tank seam.
I think these are the parts that you require -
 1 -112 470 06 81  Angle
 1 - 000 987 47 40 Rubber Buffer
 As Required - 009021  006103 Washer

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: DavidBrough on December 13, 2011, 09:39:15

Thanks to everyones help I think I’ve worked out how the fuel lines are clamped at the front and after buying another set I’ve eventually managed to bend them to fit. I do have to say that it did prove quite difficult as they are very hard to bend, particularly the feed line. Anyway, all in place now except for the fact that I do seem to have a lot of return pipe feeding into the engine bay and wonder if someone knows how this should run.

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: Larry & Norma on December 13, 2011, 10:49:14

Hi David, hope these photos help.

Title: Re: Hijack?
Post by: Naj ✝︎ on December 13, 2011, 11:05:58

Hi, Larry,

Is that a McCrack  :'(

Naj

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: DavidBrough on December 13, 2011, 11:57:05

Thanks Larry, that's great.

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: Larry & Norma on December 13, 2011, 14:40:46

Naj, just in the paint I think, but you had me going  :-\

Title: Re: Fuel & Brake Lines
Post by: Naj ✝︎ on December 13, 2011, 16:55:10

You've had a busy afternoon  :-[

Sorry to put you thru all that work on not such a nice day.

Naj