Pagoda SL Group
W113 Pagoda SL Group => General Discussion => Topic started by: ericlee on November 30, 2010, 21:38:10
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I am thinking of buying a W113. What do you think of this car? I do not know much about W113, I appreciate any opinions on this deal!
thanks
http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/cto/2075004773.html
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I think it's very red :o
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i don't think they made that color combo-check to see if the color is correct-also. that carpet doesn't look 40 years old. It looks like the newer wool type aftermarket. The binded seams give reason to question. I'd check this out further. If the seller is fibbing about the carpet and color, what else could be a fib-It looks like a great car, but maybe just another restored one, instead of " This is all orignal deal" like a lot of people say about these cars.
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Here is the listing on eBay at $29000 with no reserve. Check the car in person if you can. He claims it has the original carpets but it should have rubber mats in the foot wells. It may have been restored and not original. t looks good in the pictures but a personal inspection for rust and mechanically is always important. The craigs list add had a video of it running down the hi way. If it is very well sorted out the price is ok but that is up to you.
Brad
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290504447822&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fmotors.shop.ebay.com%3A80%2F__%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp3984.m39.l1313%26_nkw%3D290504447822%26_sacat%3D%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1
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i checked out the e-bay pictures----------------inside engine compartment has overspray. The hood rod has paint on it. This is not original-I don't even thing signal red was color in that year. Nice car, but the seller is lying-I would stay clear of the deal on principal alone!------------I get tired of these jerks lying. They don't have to. Any seller should understand that a true pagoda owner knows these cars better than the guy selling them.
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.........North American Spec headlights, but no side marker lights. What gives? To be honest I did not read all the tripe describing the car....Still trying to sell my Pagoda.....
CHEERS !
WITT !
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My 66 doesn't have marker lights. I'm not sure what vin number they start this. That vin number is about 3000 earlier than mine.
Brad
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Can't read the description (a Mac-related issue I think), but the car looks pretty sound although red on red is a matter of taste - personally I think it's a little over the top. And were the US bumper overriders ever on 230's?
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One small question,if the interior is red should the ash tray cover also be red?
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I think ashtrays match the seats but I'm not 100% sure.
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My 1966 ashtray vinyl lid is black. I have Bronze Brown MB Tex seats. It is original to the car.
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Do they match the dash?
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I believe that the 230SL's did not have carpets as standard equiptment. My data card from the factory specifies rubber mats for the floor coverings. Can anyone else verify this for Eric?
Larry in CA. 1966 230SL 16443
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- - - a couple more small(?) issues: the hood badge is not installed in the correct position, it is too close to the gap. Also there seems to be the same type of problem on the trunk star location - - -
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As far as I know rubber mats were only used for the earliest cars
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My car has rubber mats Vin# 13302
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My 1968 restoration project has a dark brown interior,seats,dash,etc,the ashtray insert is also dark brown.
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My 1965 230SL (VIN ...9575) originally came with rubber mats on the floor, and carpets over the transmission tunnel and everywhere else inside. The interior is cognac leather, as it was originally, but the ashtray cover is black. I asked Gernold if that was correct, but after consulting his lliterature he could't pin down whether the change to interior color was made before or after my car was manufactured. I continue to believe mine is correct.
Chris
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My 66 230 as delivered from the factory has cream int black ashtray cover brown rubber mats,also the vinyl door threshhold covers should match the interior I think ?
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How about the inverted star on the steering wheel hub? I would have a heck of time keeping that car straight while driving down the road:-)
john
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I want to thank you all for providing valuable info. This is a great place to get help. I will find time to take look of the car and let you know the outcome.
thanks again.
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I'm not a big fan of red but I don't think that the red interior is all that bad. Actually, I feel it is a bit more sedate than red with tan interior.
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This group can be tough on cars. Its 40 years old and had a respray which is expected. It is not a concours car and frankly arent most drivers pushing 30k now? Its a respectable car with a lot of expensive things taken care of.. There is no substitute to having a professional take a look and letting you know there arent secret expensive mechanicals out of sorts. When I first bought my car Im sure it would have been panned in here but Ive had seven yeras of enjoyment with no regrets.
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I'm with Peterm on this one. If your not worried about winning prizes and want to enjoy a magnificent car
then buy the one that grabs you-just do the usual checks for body rot and good mechanicals and go for it.
I think if I had tried to find a concours model I would have talked myself out of buying by now. Instead
I have had great enjoyment for 18 months and hopefully many more years, but no prizes ;D
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I agree with the last two posts. The forum is VERY tough on cars. The owner does admit to a respray, but what the heck is wrong with that if it is done well? Most of the really nice cars on the forum are actually repaints already. It looks nice to me, but the devil may be in the details. Get it checked out professionally. If it is straight and doesn't have rust issues it does seem like a decent buy. I personally am not that fond of the color combo, but that can be changed anyday. It's not that hard.
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the problem is the guy lied about the car to potential buyers-sure , it's a good car----but $34,000 good???----------remember he lied about the carpet, paint, originality,etc------------he talked like it was found sheltered in some garage like factory fresh.
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A little toughness is required when it comes to providing the right ammunition for negotiating the price - dealers do the exact same thing. When I had my Triumph TR6 for sale, a professional dealer tried to squeeze me down by pointing out that a few things on my car was non-standard, but luckily I knew a lot more about TRs than he did and proved him wrong. So there is nothing wrong in pointing out a few faults and errors for the sake of the negotiation - and then decide later whether it is something that needs correcting or not. When I bought my 230 SL, one of my major bargaining points were the headrests that were added in the early 80's and the ungainly chrome wire wheels - both are still on the car 3 years after btw but knocked USD 3000 off the asking price :-)
Ulf
PS: No worries, steel rims have been bought and refurbished - they are just not on the car yet
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pics.
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sending more pics
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Check out this one: Link to own for sale posting removed
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got more pics from underside.
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The car looks really clean underneath. I noticed in one of the pictures it has the original seat belt mounts in the floor identical to my 66. I would say it has had no previous rust in the floor pans. If the rest of the car is that good and in good mechanical condition you should consider it. On ebay he started at $29000. You could work from there.
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Underbelly looks pretty decent to me. I'd want a hands on inspection just to poke around up close.
As far this site being a tough crowd -- I couldn't give mine away if I tried to sell it here! Really. And a case can be made that even"less desirable" Pagodas can be enjoyed...
But I think the idea here is just don't get blindsided by some surprise that makes you want to throw up. 34 is a little on the higher side of the "all Pagodas are going up" mentality. Mid 20s maybe but for 34, you gotta get something closer to "nice." This could be there -- just need to have a close look. And take it for spin -- mechanicals are just as important as looks. Good luck.
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The pic below shows the fuel pump does not have a casing, I see fuel pumps on all other cars are insdie a casing. is this right?
thanks!
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The fuel pump should have a metal can around it. The new pump probably had slightly different fittings. The can would have to be cut to still fit. I have the can for mine but it is not installed or cut yet.
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This group is great, I have learned a lot by your responses. I went to drrve the car and here is what I have found.
I believe the car had front accident before. There are no spot welds at all under the hood. Would paint cover them? The gap between hood and body is uneven. the headlight and different depth of recess into the housing. The epoxy is not very smooth inside the front tire well, have messy Epoxy runs.
2nd problem is the bottom plate under the driver foot is not as smoth as other 3 places, suspect corrosion and then paint over.
Another issue is this car does not have P. steering.
do you think this car is worth mid 20's.
thank you all!
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Eric,
You should still see evidence of the spot welds even if the car has been repainted. Did you have a look at the number on the hood to see if it matched the number on the data plate above the left front tire? If different you know the hood has been changed and as someone else pointed out, a good chance the front end was in an accident. The gap between hood and body doesn't look too bad and you may be able to readjust the hood if it is that important.
It is evident from your posts on this thread that you are or were pretty keen on this car. I haven't seen it and am no expect in assessing value. The question you have to ask yourself is how much are you willing to part with to have this car? Is the epoxy, power steering, hood alignment, and likely accident that important to you. If they are then you either fix them or you pass and keep looking. At the end of the day you have to really be happy with the car once it is yours. You don't want to look at it in 6 months or a year and regret your decision.
Good luck :)
Marcus
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These things you pointed out will affect resale for you later. Allot of cars have had repairs done. Since you have seen it in person now look at the quality of the work and what you can live with. Negotiate you price with the items you listed. I spent $9000 in maintenance since I bought mine 2 years ago. (20 + years of storage) Remember no matter what you buy it will probably need some work unless it came out of a total restoration. Most of the ones on eBay are getting between $17000 and $24000 in driver condition. Nice restored ones are going in the upper 20s to mid 30s. Allot of people are asking in the 40s+ but I don't think they are selling... That the best answer I can give you without seeing the car.
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Pass