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Electrical and Instruments / Re: Slotted nut. (Speedometer problem)
« Last post by Pawel66 on Today at 06:54:30 »
I think all or most you need to know is here: https://www.sl113.org/wiki/Electrical/Speedo

You are a Full Member, you have access to a lot of valuable resources there.
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Pagoda Spotting / Re: Twitter - Patty Boyd
« Last post by JamesL on Today at 06:04:27 »
And “Layla”, I believe
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Hello

This is a continuation of the problem i am having with my new ( 6months old pagoda   69 280sl)  Please help with diagnosis'  Do you think it is coming from the top or bottom of engine   and what do you recommend ???


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8IUOZDLiJyo?feature=share

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/N0B5BvmYmzw?feature=share

https://youtu.be/yX6S-i54Vk0

Below is the summary of the events leading up to this status"

Thanks   Arthur
..................................................... posted 5/18/2024   original

Hello
I am new member to the group and purchased 69 280sl about 6 months ago, from BAT.  The car is very nicely restored about 8 years ago including full paint, interior leather and engine and trans out restoration.   The top of engine was probably done, not sure if the bottom was done   but most likely it was done
 I have to say the past 6 months have been  a challenging and unpleasant  journey.  First the Starter broke down and need replacement, and then 1 month later had to again  be replaced as the starter failed again,  Then  a month later the  electric fuel pump need replacement  since after 30 minutes it would vapor lock and  the engine would  stop working and needed towing.   During the first 3 months of ownership I probably towed the car at least 5 times to the mechanic.

The car would run ok seemed that the power was low and it seemed to run rich because you could smell gas from the exhaust.  After a month I attempted to find a specialized Pagoda mechanic to be able to fine tune the  engine so that it would be more powerful and less rich.  I took this mechanic about 1 month  and he attempted to play  with the hot valve and attempted to adjust the linkage .  The car ran worst and had even less power but it did not smell of gas.

 I was not happy with this mechanic and I  thought that I may need a new mechanic and I discovered a Pagoda mechanic that came to my house and attempt to get more power by adjusting the valves .  After he adjusted the valves the clicking  and tap tap noise was very apparent  and the clicking was very loud and the car had less power.  He came back the next day  and redid the valves but the clicking was still there.   

A few weeks   later I found another mechanic that was more knowledgeable  he adjusted  the valves to speck but the sound was still there , he said to not drive the car  as it could  cause more catastrophic damage.  He said they need to investigate the top of the engine then the bottom of engine to find the problem of the clicking noise  and I would have to wait 2 months before he could  see me,

2 days ago I found an older mechanic who was very sympathetic with my problem and seemed like he knew  Pagodas .  He proceeded to reset the valves, tightened all the rocker arms and repositioned a  couple of misplaced springs and adjusted the  valve cover so that the it will not hit the cam shaft and tested the  compression after readjusting the valves.
He also said that the cam shaft looked great almost like new
After all this the click sound is still there  he said that the sound is coming from the bottom of the engine , he said that the top is 100% perfect and the problem is coming from the Bottom of the engine and the engine needs to be pulled out.
He raised the car and the sound was much more noticeable from the bottom of the engine.
 He thought it might be the rods or piston arms or crank shaft.  He advised not to drive the car at all and only tow it.  He thought it would take about 1 -2 months to fix it.
The compressions we all about 100 psi highest 108 low 98.  The car does not smoke, no smell of gas, no blue or white smoke
So sorry about the long winded description but I really  need some advise and help .  Thank you !
Is there anything else that can be done rather than removing the engine ???  How else can you diagnose this problem ???
How did this happen ?  it seemed like the very first time I adjust the valves with the amateur mechanic is when the clicking sound started.  Can the Crank shaft be damaged by jacking up the car from one side and putting too much pressure while turning the shaft ??? ??
Does the engine need to go to a specialized  overhaul mechanic  shop  or can a small time mechanic  fix this  ?   If you pull the engine out should you do a overhaul ??
What should be  my next step ?  What does this type of fix cost ???
 I am located in Los Angeles – So California area .  Any recommendations ?

Arthur
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I would think you could use a heat gun to remove Dynamat.
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I would be interested in 4. Put me down on the list.
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Electrical and Instruments / Re: Speedo Stuck?
« Last post by acbrock on May 20, 2024, 22:14:09 »
Shoot.  Just found some photographs I took.  That knob is held on by a C-Clip on the inside of the glass.
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Electrical and Instruments / Re: Speedo Stuck?
« Last post by acbrock on May 20, 2024, 22:08:36 »
Yea I assume that is where things went wrong.  I checked the plug in the trunk and it is getting power so I am going to dive back into the connector tomorrow.  I just hope there is nothing I could have fried when I had the plugs plugged into the wrong connector.  But yes I am going pull all the wires down again tomorrow and check them all.  I know the gage worked because it was one of the first things I fixed and had to get a new Fuel Sender from MB.  So my crazy detour into wire hell definitely did something.  But the Speedo not being electrical is a little more confusing.  I know it worked too.  And the cable is definitely spinning if it is logging miles.  I hope it is just stuck on the pin and hope I don't need to pull out to unstick it.  I have some strong magnets coming later today... Hopefully that can do it.  If not I cannot remember when I took the speedo apart  how I got the little knob off.  I am reviewing videos and of course I did not record that part of the teardown.  But I will dig around a find something.  I am hoping I can just pull that off and use some canned air to blow the needle....
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General Discussion / Re: Concours/Resto Mod Restoration Shop
« Last post by Vander on May 20, 2024, 21:48:45 »
I'm not sure of the exact price of a Mechatronik Pagoda these days, but I would imagine it's over $500,000. They were getting $350k 10 years ago. So if someone wants a high quality restomod such as Mechatronik, they need to be realistic on what it takes to do it. Agree it's best to send the car to them, don't know anyone else doing restomod Pagodas at that high level of quality.
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Drive train, fuel, suspension, steering & brakes / Re: Injectors
« Last post by mauro12 on May 20, 2024, 21:46:47 »
I can give you my experience when I rebuilt my fuel injection pump and injectors . Before rebuilding the pump , i took a breathe and I invested 1000€ for a set of new r2 injectors but the result was terrible . The car was running poorly  , no power , no acceleration at all . I put back the old one and the car came back normal. I’ve been refunded from mb.classic.de because they sent to bosch the injectors and they were actually defective from the factory . No other explanations from them apart for the refund .
The year after I sent the pump and injectors for a full rebuild to Hans fritzsche in Germany . He suggested me to replace my old injectors because the opening pressure is on the low side , about 207psi , the normal range should be from 220 to 260 . Also the residual pressure after 1 hour is low in 1 injector out of 6. The car is running perfectly but from cold it could be better with new ones . Also fuel economy I’m sure could be improved with a new set .
I decided not to buy so far because I’m scared to have the same negative experience but I’m not saying the all r2 are defective .
Any other experiences with r2 injectors?
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Glad to hear you got it to go, I am sure you will not regret having installed this upgrade.

I agree.

(Don't blame the hammer if the nail doesn't go in)  ;)
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