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Title: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on October 07, 2021, 20:52:27
That is where it all started,
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on October 07, 2021, 20:57:04
And that is where I am today,
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on October 07, 2021, 21:02:53
Another box f refinished goodies waiting it’s turn.
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: SEB on October 08, 2021, 17:39:30
Looks really nice this engine!
May I ask what was done with this engine? And what was to price?
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on October 09, 2021, 12:13:55
Looks really nice this engine!
May I ask what was done with this engine? And what was to price?
Thank you.
Full overhaul. 1st oversize pistons, new valves, guides, polished crank and cam.....
Refinished all the auxiliary components.
Injection pump is still on my workbench.
Here is a pic from end of April. I had to wait for proper (230) set of pistons to arrive.
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: SEB on October 13, 2021, 16:57:01
I like the gloss of the surface. Do you know how it was cleaned and preserved? looks really nice!
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on October 14, 2021, 01:33:58
I like the gloss of the surface. Do you know how it was cleaned and preserved? looks really nice!
Of course I know, I spent countless hours doing it.
First I covered it all, every nook and cranny. Than I went to town cleaning and prepping  it. Finishing coat was applied by hand with the soft 1 inch brush. Auxiliary elements are either powder coated or wet blasted.
I’ll more pics tomorrow (daylight)
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on October 14, 2021, 01:40:52
POR 15 gloss black was the product I used.
Just don’t paint over rust if you wish to achieve lasting results! 😀
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: SEB on October 14, 2021, 15:54:18
Many thanks! The valve cover you also painted or just wet blasted?
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: Leester on October 14, 2021, 22:49:58
Well done so far and no doubt will be very high quality when finished!  Lee
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on October 22, 2021, 02:42:15
Boxes are piling up.
My bench has never been such a mess and I’m replacing pistons and bearings.
😂🤷‍♂️😂
Well, my compressor packed it up. Since I have to wait for some parts to put on my nice shiny crank I decided to make some apple mousse. 🍿
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on October 22, 2021, 02:49:56
Not only I have to clean the shop, now I better take care of the mess in the kitchen first!
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: Pawel66 on October 22, 2021, 06:50:31
Ouch!... You are now in danger zone indeed...
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: RAY on October 22, 2021, 07:52:21
Do you have a picture of the polished crank and cam shaft ?
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on October 23, 2021, 22:22:36
Do you have a picture of the polished crank and cam shaft ?
Sure, I'll dig them up. work was completed few month back. I was referring to my compressor crank here.

In meantime I got the filters done. Last seal showed up on Friday. Here is the link;
https://youtu.be/yr7588HrMX4
I'll try to button up the injection pump now.
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on October 24, 2021, 18:53:54
Here is the link to the injection pump thread;
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=34058.0
work continues...
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on October 24, 2021, 19:40:56
Speed ze-ro five knots. Set depth at one two feet. So says Sean Connery.
I add, prepare to surface.
More bits and pieces agreed upon!  ;D
https://youtu.be/CuzyORXWuxc
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on October 26, 2021, 16:21:50
I noticed there is quite a difference between the old and the new water pump. I touched on some of it in the video here;
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=33951.0

Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on October 26, 2021, 16:43:07
Link to the alternator discussion,
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=34040.0
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on October 27, 2021, 18:18:31
Yesterday I installed a new membrane in the fuel pressure regulator.
Here is a short video;
https://youtu.be/yKm0Gx0rNXg
I got the part from SLS Germany #207803
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on November 03, 2021, 22:21:29
New fan spacer and the refinished fan is on.
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: Benz Dr. on November 04, 2021, 04:37:52
New fan spacer and the refinished fan is on.

Where did you find that fan? Although it looks like it would fit properly, it's not a MB fan.
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on November 04, 2021, 22:05:38
Where did you find that fan?
Dan, thank you for helping me and sharing your knowledge on the subject. I’ll add the fan to the originality improvement list. One you see in the picture came with the parts included with the project car.
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on December 23, 2021, 01:23:40
I made some major strides in the past few weeks.
Today was the icing on the cake. Oil pressure test. I may have a short clip later. I just don’t want to waste time on the computer while I’m on the roll.
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on December 24, 2021, 19:15:04
123 ignition installed.
Original distributor is almost ready and will be installed when engine is ready to go in the car.
https://youtu.be/Z39UwaFiXaE
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: Cees Klumper on December 24, 2021, 20:52:05
Very nice ... great job!
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: Figoulu on December 25, 2021, 11:15:16
I follow with high interest your thread 👍👍👍
And your YouTube channel
I’m finishing video editing the same throttle body refurbishment for my channel as well.
You’re quiet inspiring to me 👍👍👍
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on December 25, 2021, 20:20:09
I follow with high interest your thread 👍👍👍
And your YouTube channel
I’m finishing video editing the same throttle body refurbishment for my channel as well.
You’re quiet inspiring to me 👍👍👍
Thank you for your kind comments.
I have more video material yet I’m not confident of it’s quality or possible copy rights  because of the background music. I do all this because I enjoy it and I know how much I like it when others share their knowledge with me. I recently purchased a used galaxy to complement my own phone for recording. Quite often I would get out of the shoot without even knowing. Having the 🎥  pointed from different angles may/should solve the problem.
I’m not much of a videographer. I can cut and shorten my files, oh sorry I recently learned how to add text to it but that’s about it. It’s not my cup of tea. What software do you use? Few of my friends suggested all this Mac stuff and yes I agree, even from my limited knowledge of the subject it is the best. My question is; do I want to sidetrack and  spend hours upon hours on trying to learn the new tool. Hollywood is not on my bucket list.😀 I want something simple that can operate in windows environment with learn as you go or as needed if you will.
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: Figoulu on December 28, 2021, 12:16:02
I personnaly use Imovie from apple and it's enough to make it

Tonight 5pm paris time I broadcast on my youtube channel the same topic summarized in less than 10 minutes from almost 2hours of rush :o
I strongly believe that you did better than I but I'm confident in the fact that I did improved what I touched... ;D

Stay tuned for more and if you like, please subscribe !
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChOmwB8vPR1IphoEbJS8eug


Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: ja17 on December 29, 2021, 01:09:36
Actually I have seen that big steel engine fan blade used on other M127 engines equipped with AC. Might have been part of the dealer installed AC kit at one time?
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: Benz Dr. on December 29, 2021, 04:22:55
600's used steel fan blades. I didn't look closely enough to see if this one is or not.
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on December 29, 2021, 23:54:22
Actually I have seen that big steel engine fan blade used on other M127 engines equipped with AC. Might have been part of the dealer installed AC kit at one time?
600's used steel fan blades. I didn't look closely enough to see if this one is or not.
I can take a better pic of the fan in daylight tomorrow. As for the A/C, yes this car was equipped with it and I still have all the components. Although I’ll not be installing it.
In meantime I got bit more done.
https://youtu.be/1FjJ8mlQkQY
I decided not to cause any more delays by waiting on plated parts. I just cleaned and lubricated pivot points for now. I’m also using another valve cover as it is possible that my original is contaminated. This definitely takes away from the presentation but eliminates the risk.
There is few other, rather small things that came up in the last few days. As most of it is visual, I’ll be addressing it at later date.
I plan to finish the cooling system bypass tonight. Of to the garage I go.
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on January 08, 2022, 14:22:57
Here is another progress update,

https://youtu.be/CNHWd8PmtWs

I'm just doing all those little things.
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: ja17 on January 12, 2022, 23:45:47
Looking good Mark! Be sure to switch the aluminum heat shield around before your done. It's on backwards! :)
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on January 13, 2022, 16:21:14
Looking good Mark! Be sure to switch the aluminum heat shield around before your done. It's on backwards! :)
Thank you Joe. I’ll definitely do that before the engine goes in. At the moment I have the shield placed this way so it allows for quick visual inspection around the manifolds.
I plan to setup a jerrycan today and see if I can fire it up.
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on February 27, 2022, 15:53:01
That day has finally come,
https://youtu.be/Ulqm1He_EEc
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: Leester on February 27, 2022, 19:23:25
Way to go, congratulations on the first start!
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on March 07, 2022, 04:50:33
Guys, all is well. I was able to run the engine up to temperature 3 times now.
Idle is down to 800rpm and quite stable. I can go a touch under 600 but than things start to shake a bit, vacuum drops and the vicious circle starts.
Since I’m in the very early stages of setting up this motor I read a lot. Lots of it is there in the BBB and other manuals but fine details can only be found here. This site really is the welt of information. I came across so many interesting threads but this one here ;
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=24513.25
really struck me. Everything that I came across is there and well documented.
At this point I only have one unknown with regards to timing. Looking through the Bosch distributor sheets, advance starts at 1000rpm for 051 distributor yet other manuals call for 4 to 8 degree of advance at idle. Since 700rpm seams to describe a healthy idle than that would put the above statements at disagreement.
I would like to pick a direction now and need to make a decision on the timing. My plan is to dial in 2deg at 600rpm already. I don’t quite see myself going for 8deg. at idle as I definitely don’t want to have any backfire or other racing related sounds coming out of my engine. I want the engine to turn as smooth as possible in low rpm range. I will be tuning it for power at the appropriate mileage.
More video footage coming soon.
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on March 12, 2022, 22:40:07
Leave no stone unturned,

https://youtu.be/8s4Q-R6cCWw
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on March 12, 2022, 23:22:46
Part 2,
Vacuum leaks resolved;
https://youtu.be/t_fIkD6bAHY
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: Pawel66 on March 13, 2022, 10:11:35
I think Mark is posting very informative videos on you tube.

The smoke machine looks fancy!

For those who are puzzled over having or not having vacuum leak, there is another simple way to make a smoke machine - you need a windshield washer pump and an e-cigarette.
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on April 04, 2022, 00:32:32
I got yet another set of ignition cables. Purchased from K&K in Michigan. High quality set with proper 1K resistance. It made quite a difference on the spark front and overall running of the engine. Improvements all around, bellow is the latest scope screen shot;
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Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: Figoulu on April 14, 2022, 12:25:39
I think Mark is posting very informative videos on you tube.

The smoke machine looks fancy!

For those who are puzzled over having or not having vacuum leak, there is another simple way to make a smoke machine - you need a windshield washer pump and an e-cigarette.

Agreed, quiet instructive !
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: MarkCan on April 14, 2022, 16:57:44
Thank you.
Not much is happening on the pagoda front now. Just some TLC around the engine. I finally got that valve cover refinished and the throttle bar on top is in the works. I'll have a pic as soon as the sun comes out
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: Figoulu on April 19, 2022, 08:46:40
bravo !
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: Kevkeller on April 23, 2022, 20:10:44
I thought I read on this site that the correct ignition cables are the non resistor cables.

Thank you for sharing your progress and videos.
Title: Re: M127 engine transformation
Post by: Benz Dr. on April 23, 2022, 21:05:33
Timing advance starts at 1000 to 1,200 RPM. Part of that is vacuum and the other part is mechanical.

 The 8 degrees BTDC is idle timing and has nothing to do with distributor function. The fact that you set this timing using the distributor is incidental.