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Kemal

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White walls
« on: February 25, 2007, 10:34:32 »
Hi All

Does anyone have any advice on cleaning White wall Tyres ?
Thanks
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Re: White walls
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2007, 10:37:18 »
The best I could do was use a rubber cleaner I bought at the auto parts store.  It would be located along side the wax, polish, glass cleaner, wheel cleaner, etc.....

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Re: White walls
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2007, 11:25:36 »
I have used "Wide White" whitewall cleaner available (at least it used to be) from Coker Tire.

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Re: White walls
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2007, 12:35:36 »
I use Soft Scrub with a brush. It contains bleach and is not abrasive on the tires. It really brings out the white.

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Re: White walls
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2007, 13:51:47 »
white band or white wall tyres are not generally available in the UK, only in a few sizes and sadly not on the 185/ 195 / 205 range, mainly because the white just comes off unless of course the car is for show only. You can have them imported from the USA if you have a LOT of money to spend. I wouldn't recommend anyone getting them. I had them on my last Aston and had to have the whole set changed as they looked rubbish after a very short time, and dont try CIF or soda crystals! For goodness sake dont waste your money.!![:0]

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Re: White walls
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2007, 14:50:44 »
I have been a fan of Westley's "Bleche Wite" for years!

http://http://westleys.com/



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Re: White walls
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2007, 16:31:52 »
I used,
Lacquer thinner.

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Re: White walls
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2007, 17:00:35 »
Like Kevin, I always had great results with Westley's "Bleche White". Very easy job.

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Re: White walls
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2007, 20:12:39 »
In the summer I usually also use Westley's.  Yesterday while greasing the front end I cleaned with Simple Green and a 3M Scotch-Brite Pad; I had not really cleaned them when I put the car away for the winter.   It went fairly easy.

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Re: White walls
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2007, 08:22:09 »
Whitewall Enthusiasts,

Been there, done that and I'm in agreement with JonnyB.  As the owner of the Coker reproduction tires, when cleaning them I had used Bleche-White and similar other whitewall and tire cleaners.  They gave me some problems--subtle, but problems nonetheless.  These "cleaners" and "bleaches" in combination with various tire dressings and cleaners would bleed some staining onto the white wall.  The staining was coming from the black part of the tire, and showed up as brown staining on the white wall.   Many didn't notice it but I certainly did.

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I sent Coker photos of my staining, and they recommended to STOP using these products (you'll say of course here)and use their Wide White Wall cleaner and their Tire Dressing.  These products are unique (I've used many tire cleaners and dressings; these are very different) and it shows.  Coker claims that the tire cleaners and dressings that one buys over the counter at your local auto parts store degrade the tires and are too harsh.  Perhaps Bleche White and others are good enough for daily drivers (when you put 15K-20K miles a year on the car the tire tread won't last like a low mileage collectable car like our typical 113's)but not for collectables when we are trying to preserve our tire investment.  They specifically state (when you speak with them on the telephone) to avoid silicones and avoid bleaches in tire care products.  These will break down the tire compounds; it was the breakdown of the black rubber which was staining the whitewalls.

At $5.95 a bottle, this isn't bank breaking nor is it usurious; in fact this is very reasonably priced--I'd guess you could or would pay more for some fancy-named products.  Meguires for example, has 8 products in their "tire care" line and all of them are more expensive.  There are probably legions of you out there that disbelieve Coker's recommendations as self-serving; but one must remember they only deal with collector car tires, and they don't make a bunch of car care products like waxes, soaps, etc.  I've used quite a few different branded foams, cleaners, dressings, etc. and the staining is the result.  The Coker products are the best.  And no, there is nothing really different in the manufacture of these tires versus any other; they are made in a Michelin-certified plant in Mexico out of--goodness gracious--tire rubber!

Back to my staining: what they recommended I do is first try a 3M scrubby pad with their cleaner; if that didn't work, (it didn't)go onto Plan B which was 1000 grit sandpaper (from an auto body supply house)with their cleaner and that did the trick, as you can see from the before and after photos I've attached here.

My whitewalls are pretty darn clean now and remain that way.

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Re: White walls
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2007, 12:45:12 »
You might try 303 Products. I know they sound a bit like an Amway product ( no offence to Amway converts ) but they do have this non destructive rubber ingredient. I used to use "son of a gun" silicone based rubber dressing but I found it was dissolving the rubber glue on my door rubbers so now I use the unlikely named "aero protectant" from 303 and it's really good. I don't have Whitewalls and my car is used everyday and so you should take advice from Whitewall users. This is however a great black rubber cleaner / dresser to have in your cleaning bucket.


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Re: White walls
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2007, 08:30:20 »

Thankyou all....


quote:
Originally posted by kemal shah

Hi All

Does anyone have any advice on cleaning White wall Tyres ?
Thanks
Kemal

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Re: White walls
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2007, 21:05:14 »
Need to mention my technique with the Bleche-Wite...I spray on a rag rather than directly on the tire. I then pass the rag only over the whitewall itself rather than on the black rubber, too. I will likley try thr Coker product as well!

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 The staining was coming from the black part of the tire, and showed up as brown staining on the white wall.  
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Re: White walls
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2007, 08:38:27 »
I have several vehicles with white band tires and they are kept clean and tidy by my car keeper using warm mildly soapy water and they look good. This is here in the sun though. I certainly think it's a grave mistake to have them on cars in the United Kingdom, especially if you are in a large City. Things cant get much worse. You dont say if your car is a rust heap in which case I am sure they will look fine but if your car is half decent. Oh dear. I feel a deep dig into your pocket or maybe you wont mind them looking rough. Try the Coker tires.

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Re: White walls
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2007, 15:08:49 »
I have a car-keeper, too. His name is Kevin  :D

quote:
Originally posted by ami

I have several vehicles with white band tires and they are kept clean and tidy by my car keeper using warm mildly soapy water and they look good. This is here in the sun though. I certainly think it's a grave mistake to have them on cars in the United Kingdom, especially if you are in a large City. Things cant get much worse. You dont say if your car is a rust heap in which case I am sure they will look fine but if your car is half decent. Oh dear. I feel a deep dig into your pocket or maybe you wont mind them looking rough. Try the Coker tires.

1970 AC 428 coupe
1970 Fiat 850 Bertone
1970 Fiat 130 Coupe
1964 Porsche 356c
1966 Ford Mustang
1974 Lotus Europa
1988 Maserati Biturbo
1973 Maserati Bora
1983 TVR Tasmin
1979 BMW M-1
1973 Mercedes 3.5 280 se c
1955 Jaguar XK140 FHC
1968 Jaguar E type XKE
1970 Mercedes 280 SL
1954 Mercedes 300 SL
1989 ferrari 400i
1974 Ferrari 246 GTS

All perfect and used as often as possible. Currently having 1958 Aston DBS (301) and another 300 SL restored.



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Re: White walls
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2007, 18:42:53 »
I am sure coker tire company wants you to buy their white wall cleaner. Westleys is also very good . a tip I learned from a pro was to take a little paint thinner on the edge of a rag and wipe around the white wall. this technique helps to maintail a fresh appearance and remove any tire dressing overspray. I also recommend that you stay away from dimethel silcone tire dressing and solvent base dressing. they will degrade plastic and rubber and have no place around an automobile. I recommend you use 303 protectant that can be purchased at most camping equipment stores or RV accessorie stores.
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