Pagoda SL Group
W113 Pagoda SL Group => General Discussion => Topic started by: klc1967230sl on July 15, 2019, 18:12:17
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I have contacted numerous parts suppliers (BudsBenz, K&K Mfg., Authentic Classics, etc.), and they all say reproductions of this switch are simply not available. Does anyone know of a supplier who still offers the switch? Or someone who rebuilds them? Or who the last manufacturer of the switch was? This is an important subject for 230SL owners who need this part. From what I have read, the turn signal switch for the 280SL is not available either. What are 230SL and 280SL owners who need this part doing?
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https://oldtimer-ersatzteile24.de/Turn-Signal-switch-for-Mercedes-Pagoda-W113-230SL
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What's wrong w/your current switch?
Wiper no worky?
Mechanically not working right? If so, see:
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=3821.0
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Oldtimer website says "not available now!" I have not asked them if they anticipate getting more.
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Thanks, Teahead. The plastic case is cracked and loose on the rest of the turn signal mechanism. Also, the unit does not operate WS wipers. It's possible mine could be rebuilt if anyone knows who rebuilds them. One supplier showed a new one for sale at over $2,000, but even it is no longer available.
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I assume you tried the Classic Center. I bought one from them a couple of years ago.
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In the EPC it shows red dot - NLA, but you can ask the Classic Center US, they are very helpful, part number is A 001 545 55 24. Used to be ca $800 when available.
Maybe there:
https://www.niemoeller.de/en/w113/w113/B042/460/d46183-combined-switch
Which plastic, this one?
https://oldtimer-ersatzteile24.de/Griffstueck-fuer-Mercedes-W113-Blinkerschalter
On this forum you may find a lot of threads on repairing of these switches. Use search "wiper switch" or "wiper switch repair/rebuild".
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I have some available for 280SL.
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Unfortunately, the 280SL turn signal switch is different. The number that Pawel66 gave, A 001 545 55 24, is the one needed for the 230SL.
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Can one easily convert to the 280SL style?
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I have some available for 280SL.
New or rebuilt used or just used?
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Can one easily convert to the 280SL style?
No, I don't think so. Very different part.
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I think this is the correct one for 230/250SL
New Very pricey$$$$
https://www.adsitco.com/parts/detail/Mercedes/turnsignal-switch/2888/
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I have taken these apart and repaired them, but they are very complicated. Lots of little parts (springs, balls, contacts etc.). It is good if you have a little watchmaking experience if you want to attempt it. I suspect that it is just a mater of time before someone offers a rebuilding service.
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Indeed it is a fiddly job but we rebuild them in-house.
UK might be too far for the OP though....
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But he says the plastic case is cracked. Can it still be rebuild?
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I really appreciate everyone's suggestions and will be following up on them. I'll also let you know what I end up doing. BudBenz says that the part for a 280SL is not available either. I have to think whoever once manufactured the reproductions will be doing so again soon.
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I really appreciate everyone's suggestions and will be following up on them. I'll also let you know what I end up doing. BudBenz says that the part for a 280SL is not available either. I have to think whoever once manufactured the reproductions will be doing so again soon.
280 signal switch is available. I can get over 200 of them. How many do you want?
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Benz Dr., the 280SL switch won't work with a 230SL. Do you have a source for 230SL switches? Thanks.
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Benz Dr., the 280SL switch won't work with a 230SL. Do you have a source for 230SL switches? Thanks.
Will it not physically bolt on? What' so different about it? If it's just wiring, I would think one could workaround that.
Folks have done this with BMW E9s where in 1974, the turn signal is on the LEFT side, but earlier it was on the right. Wasn't that hard to convert to the 74-style with a little bit of wiring kabuki on earlier models. Not saying it's the same deal, but I would think it would be possible for W113s???
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Benz Dr., the 280SL switch won't work with a 230SL. Do you have a source for 230SL switches? Thanks.
I think we are all aware that 230SL switches have dried up. Someone said that 280SL switches are also not available but that's not true. Only place you might find a 230SL switch is NOS or one from a parts car.
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Have you asked Niemoeller? I bought several parts from them based on their "available on request" classification.
Also: sometimes it works when you send a question to e-bay vendors about what you need even if they do not offer this exact part directly.
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Hi,
I also got one (for 230SL) from Niemoeller about a year and a half ago. The electrician who was working with the car said it had some problem and they promptly sent me with another one which worked fine.
Regards
Pedro
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There are a lot of differences between the 230 and 280 switch, not least of which is the chrome lever arm is different and the wrong one causes the switch to foul the steering wheel.
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UJJ, I checked with Adsitco, and they say the 230SL switch is not available. I am now checking with Niemoeller. I'll also check the references for rebuilding my switch. I really appreciate everyone's help on this. Please let me know any other ideas anyone might have.
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May want to try Sam at Eurocars in Wisconsin. He dismantles Pagodas and other mercs and sells the parts.
eurocars@chorus.net
You might also find his phone via a search on this site.
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Pawel66, I checked with Niemoeller and they can't get the switch for the 230SL anymore.
Thank you, Kampala. I will check with your possible source for the switch.
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Only MB could make a car that uses model specific parts. >:( Where it would of made more sense to use one from a sedan they had to design one that only fits that car. ??? And, because you need it to drive your car so you can have signal lights, this becomes a safety issue.
I see this far too often on other MB models. Mechanical parts are not too bad but on certain trim and safety items, forget it. 230SL production is about 70% of 190SL production and you can get almost anything for a 190SL. I guess the value of a restored car is the determining factor.
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Sorry to hear that... then what comes to my mind is to send questions to e-bay vendors.
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I spend hours on the internet, emailing all the usual sources but everyone is out of stock. I would be very interested if you find someone who still has a few.
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https://www.ebay.de/itm/Mercedes-Pagode-W-113-Lenkstockschalter-Blinkerschalter/283556400812?hash=item4205474eac:g:i2UAAOSwpLBdI6Hr
This one is early? I know it needs attention, but maybe one can make one out of two?
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I still can't find a used or reproduction 230SL switch that will work (the "early style" switch.) Has anyone had any recent experience with individuals who rebuild these? That may be the only option for me at this time.
I certainly agree with Benz Dr when he says "Where it would have made more sense to use one from a sedan, they had to design one that only fits that car."
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Hi Guys,
I recently bought a 250SL multifunction switch from a UK Mercedes dealership in the Swindon area. Yip, it was expensive but available a few month ago.
Regards
Chris
Cape Town
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I still can't find a used or reproduction 230SL switch that will work (the "early style" switch.) Has anyone had any recent experience with individuals who rebuild these? That may be the only option for me at this time.
I certainly agree with Benz Dr when he says "Where it would have made more sense to use one from a sedan, they had to design one that only fits that car."
The German speaking pagoda group has repair and assembly instructions for the for the unit. If that is an option for you, contact me should you need help.
Dirk
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Dirk,
Could you post a link to those instructions?
Paul
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Dirk,
Could you post a link to those instructions?
Paul
Paul,
Here is the PDF. Considering we are all friends, I don't think they'll mind me posting it here.
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Hi Guys,
I recently bought a 250SL multifunction switch from a UK Mercedes dealership in the Swindon area. Yip, it was expensive but available a few month ago.
Regards
Chris
Cape Town
That could be a late 250 you're referring to which would have a 280SL style switch.
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Stick,
Can you vive a ball parking figure of what it may cost....mine was not "sticking " when I pushed the lever for right or left turns. The electrician said he couldn't fix it as something was broken...It was replaced with one from Niemöller but I have kept the original. 230 car.
Thanks
Pedro
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It's £380 plus VAT and postage provided it can be done (but most can).
More if you want the shaft re-chromed.
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You also can try Gernold Nisius, Arundel ME (SLTECH) he has a lot of used parts. (gernold@sltechw113.com)
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I can not thank everyone enough for all your help in trying to find this turn signal switch or locate someone who rebuilds them. I've had almost 40 replies to my original post and over 800 views. I'm still looking on ebay and other sites and will add a post when I figure out a solution. Thank you again. Our Pagoda SL Group is a truly amazing organization with extremely thoughtful and helpful members.
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A lot depends on how it's broken. If it won't stay up or down when you signal to turn, that can be fixed most of the time. If the whole switch is smashed off the end of the wand - well, not so much.
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Thanks Stick.
Something to keep in mind to repair and replace in the future .
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Here's a translated version of the German instructions from the German Pagoda forum. I used Google translate so use at your own risk.
Paul