Pagoda SL Group

W113 Pagoda SL Group => Drive train, fuel, suspension, steering & brakes => Topic started by: Harry on July 19, 2012, 01:31:13

Title: "Creaky" Rear End Noise in 1966 230SL
Post by: Harry on July 19, 2012, 01:31:13
On another topic, I do notice that my 230SL tends to "creak" a little from behind the cabin on pulling out from a dead stop.  I need to look at the Technical Manual and see how the rear end is held to the body.  Maybe there is a bushing(s) that needs to be replaced?  It makes this noise consistently and I expect that I should run it down.  (BTW - the car is an automatic, if that makes any difference.)
Harry
Title: Re: "Creaky" Rear End Noise in 1966 230SL
Post by: DaveB on July 19, 2012, 04:20:35
You might be right, the rubber mount beneath the plastic cover in the centre front of the trunk is a distinct possibility. You should be able to evaluate the condition of the rubber if you remove that cover.
Title: Re: "Creaky" Rear End Noise in 1966 230SL
Post by: PeterW113 on July 27, 2012, 08:51:24
Hi Dave,

Is there a knack to removing the plastic cover as I do not want to damage the plastic clips which hold it in place?

Thanks

Peter
Title: Re: "Creaky" Rear End Noise in 1966 230SL
Post by: mdsalemi on July 27, 2012, 19:39:16
Harry--I had a creaking noise coming from the front of my car a few years ago, drove me crazy.  I took it to my mechanic, and he took a LONG wrench and tightened the nuts holding the clamps that hold the sway bar bushings in place.  They were NOT loose, but they were not as tight as they should have been.  He tightened up all 4 and my car is mostly creak free.
Title: Re: "Creaky" Rear End Noise in 1966 230SL
Post by: Larry & Norma on July 28, 2012, 08:49:58
Peter, when I removed my cover I had to push the centre of the clips through and they were lost.
I replaced the centre with a screw of similar size just pushed in to lock the clip.
Not original but works. The clips were available from SLS, about 0.30 Euros I think.
Title: Re: "Creaky" Rear End Noise in 1966 230SL
Post by: PeterW113 on July 28, 2012, 09:25:58
Larry,

I thought it might be something like that. Always best to double check just in case I did something that I might regret later.

Kind regards

Peter
Title: Re: "Creaky" Rear End Noise in 1966 230SL
Post by: Harry on August 08, 2012, 16:24:49
I replaced the Rubber Support Mount in the trunk this morning.  The $230 price for the part through my local Mercedes dealer was a hit but it was comparable to what I could find online.  The old mount was a disaster.  This wasn't visually evident prior to removing the old mount because the it was collapsed and the steel "washer" otop was flush against the top of the mount frame.  I haven't driven it yet but there's no way this could be anything other than a huge improvement.

I had no assistance doing this and I thought it would be beneficial to share a few notes on the removal/install.

Removal was straightforward - loosened and removed the large center bolt first, then loosened and removed the four 17mm bracket bolts.  I did have to pry the bracket up away from the frame but it was done rather easily and the entire mount then was pulled free.

Installation was a bit more challenging because the arm off of the differential that bolts to the new mount was not in center, nor perfectly vertical.  I was not able to improve its alignment by jacking on points on the differential to try to change its position.  So I slipped the new mount over the top of the arm as best as it would go (which was just barely).  I then used a large round punch through the new bracket and into the threaded hole in the arm (where the large bolt will go) to leverage the arm into a position where the new mount could be lowered into position.  Surprisingly (and thankfully) this didn't require a lot of force because it wasn't too far out of position.  With the mount down, I used the same punch in the frame holes to align them with the bolt holts.  I pulled it into position where I could install one bolt, ran it down as far as it would go without compressing the lock washer, then repeated this for two more holes (progressively easier to do).  With three bolts installed, the fourth went in easily.  I then torqued the four bolts in the frame to 32 ft-lbs, installed the large "washer" being careful to align the notch with the boss on the arm, and tightened the large center bolt to78 ft-lbs.

I took a photo of the old mount but suffice it to say that it would be obvious to a casual observer that it was junk at this point.
Title: Re: "Creaky" Rear End Noise in 1966 230SL
Post by: PeterW113 on August 08, 2012, 18:46:11
Harry,

Many thanks for sharing your experience, this is a job I plan to explore during the winter and having someones tried approach is always reassuring when attempting something for the first time.

Regards

Peter