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Off Topic => Other cars => Topic started by: stickandrudderman on August 25, 2021, 13:00:30

Title: Very rare Italian GT with American muscle
Post by: stickandrudderman on August 25, 2021, 13:00:30
Yesterday I had the great pleasure of being shown around someone's private collection and was particularly struck by this beauty.
Anyone know what it is?
Title: Re: Very rare Italian GT with American muscle
Post by: mdsalemi on August 25, 2021, 13:14:06
Is this a quiz?

I have no idea. Some lines remind me of a Lancia. But it was DeTomaso that had Ford engines. Can't say I can pinpoint that to either marque. Was there no indication on the body?
Title: Re: Very rare Italian GT with American muscle
Post by: stickandrudderman on August 25, 2021, 13:25:53
Is this a quiz?

I have no idea. Some lines remind me of a Lancia. But it was DeTomaso that had Ford engines. Can't say I can pinpoint that to either marque. Was there no indication on the body?

I know what it is, but until yesterday I wouldn't have had a clue. It's a guessing game! :)
Title: Re: Very rare Italian GT with American muscle
Post by: WRe on August 25, 2021, 13:33:45
Hi,
it's a Iso-Rivolta IR6 Lele Sport: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iso_Lele.
...WRe
Title: Re: Very rare Italian GT with American muscle
Post by: mdsalemi on August 25, 2021, 13:55:25
it's a Iso-Rivolta IR6 Lele Sport

That was my next guess... ;)
Title: Re: Very rare Italian GT with American muscle
Post by: stickandrudderman on August 25, 2021, 14:01:06
Hi,
it's a Iso-Rivolta IR6 Lele Sport: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iso_Lele.
...WRe

Correct! One of very few made in RHD.
I'd never seen one until yesterday. Shame the asking price is 3 times what I'm told it's worth.........
Title: Re: Very rare Italian GT with American muscle
Post by: Jordan on August 25, 2021, 14:12:42
When I first saw the picture I immediately thought of a Maserati Ghibli but as you look closer you can see it obviously isn't.
Title: Re: Very rare Italian GT with American muscle
Post by: Cees Klumper on August 25, 2021, 17:02:55
I thought Lamborghini Jarama, I don't particularly like either model!
Title: Re: Very rare Italian GT with American muscle
Post by: MikeSimon on August 25, 2021, 17:26:35
There has always been great talent in Italy as far as styling is concerned..   Technical skill and expertise - not so much. That's why you find a few great looking cars with common production engines from other manufacturers, U.S. V8s in particular. Then, of course, U.S. manufacturers' ownerships in Italian companies.
Even GM had an Italian designed and produced body on one of their cars. Each and every one was flown from Italy to the U.S. to be completed with U.S. chassis and running gear.
Ever wonder why most of these multi-million dollar collector Ferraris get so old without showing any mileage?
Title: Re: Very rare Italian GT with American muscle
Post by: Merc_Girl on August 28, 2021, 09:11:13
Interesting design. Seems to have taken some strong influences of other Italian cars of the same period?

Lamborghini Espada + De Tomaso Mangusta + Lamborghini Espada

This of course is merely my opinion ……….

I personally prefer the design of these cars
Title: Re: Very rare Italian GT with American muscle
Post by: MikeSimon on August 28, 2021, 19:27:30
There were/are several famous Italian design houses and body manufacturers, Pininfarina, Zagato, Bertone, Giugiaro and Ghia come to mind. Some of them designed for various car manufacturers and the final models bear a distinct resemblance. On the less exclusive end, I was always amazed how much my very first car, a Fiat OSCA 1500S looked like a Peugeot 405 Cabriolet until I found out that both cars were designed by Pininfarina
Title: Re: Very rare Italian GT with American muscle
Post by: mdsalemi on August 29, 2021, 15:32:15
...I was always amazed...until I found out that both cars were designed by Pininfarina

...and I was always amazed that as a child, I LOVED the shape and style of the Pagoda...and many years later fell in love with the clean lines and style of the BMW 320i.

Oh, yes, then I found out both were from Bracq.  ;)
Title: Re: Very rare Italian GT with American muscle
Post by: MikeSimon on August 29, 2021, 17:25:56
a Fiat OSCA 1500S looked like a Peugeot 405 Cabriolet 

Ha! Of course it was a 404 Cabriolet
Title: Re: Very rare Italian GT with American muscle
Post by: Jordan on August 29, 2021, 19:49:01
There were/are several famous Italian design houses and body manufacturers, Pininfarina, Zagato, Bertone, Giugiaro and Ghia come to mind. Some of them designed for various car manufacturers and the final models bear a distinct resemblance. On the less exclusive end, I was always amazed how much my very first car, a Fiat OSCA 1500S looked like a Peugeot 405 Cabriolet until I found out that both cars were designed by Pininfarina

Mike, do you still have the Fiat?  I have been looking for a 1500 or 1600.
Title: Re: Very rare Italian GT with American muscle
Post by: MikeSimon on August 29, 2021, 20:12:52
I wish! I would love to get my hands back on a 1500S or maybe even better a 1600S. Relatively rare in the U.S. and sort of unobtainium in good condition.
The 1600S engine alone could cost a pretty penny.
Title: Re: Very rare Italian GT with American muscle
Post by: Jordan on August 29, 2021, 20:34:11
I wish! I would love to get my hands back on a 1500S or maybe even better a 1600S. Relatively rare in the U.S. and sort of unobtainium in good condition.
The 1600S engine alone could cost a pretty penny.

Ya, I've been looking for about a year.  I have convinced myself I need to go to Italy to find one.