Author Topic: Engine Rebuild (Read 30351 times)

Garry · « **on:** January 08, 2013, 07:13:05 »

Its almost there. Maybe back in the car next week or so.

Larry & Norma · « **Reply #1 on:** January 08, 2013, 10:01:00 »

Looking good Garry, not long now

Looks like a nice 280SL in the background.

mdsalemi · « **Reply #2 on:** January 08, 2013, 13:29:18 »

Garry,

I LOVE the "just cast" look of the exhaust manifolds! So perfect in color, so flawless!

Though it wasn't perfectly clear in the photo, it looks like there is some corrosion on the water (coolant) hose connections behind the water pump? Better double check that. It appears that there is a lot of pitting from the photo, which makes a good seal difficult and also might indicate a bit of "punkiness" to the metal. I've had more than a few aluminum, zinc, and or magnesium parts crumble...

Flyair · « **Reply #3 on:** January 08, 2013, 13:55:43 »

This is what I call winter season well spent

Hope to be back soon with something as clean as the beauty Garry got for himself.

I am to send these pictures to my mechanic that renovates my engine, gearbox and suspension. If my engine looks not as good as this one, his bonus will fade away faster than Garry's Pagoda at full sped:-)

star63 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 08, 2013, 19:11:55 »

I had not previously realized that the exhaust manifolds point to opposite direction in RHD car (down under)...

Petri

w113dude · « **Reply #5 on:** January 08, 2013, 19:17:06 »

Quote from: star63 on January 08, 2013, 19:11:55

I had not previously realized that the exhaust manifolds point to opposite direction in RHD car (down under)...

Good one Petri.

twistedtree · « **Reply #6 on:** January 08, 2013, 20:29:17 »

Yes, Gary, I think they are on backwards. It will be much easier to switch them now than once in the car.

Quote from: star63 on January 08, 2013, 19:11:55

I had not previously realized that the exhaust manifolds point to opposite direction in RHD car (down under)...

Petri

Flyair · « **Reply #7 on:** January 08, 2013, 20:35:15 »

Garry,
are you also rebuilding gearbox and other elements?

Naj ✝︎ · « **Reply #8 on:** January 08, 2013, 20:36:08 »

Sorry, Guys,

The exhaust manifolds are correctly installed for RHD.

The mod was done to bypass the steering box which would be in the way if LHD manifolds were used :'( :'(

Naj

Garry · « **Reply #9 on:** January 08, 2013, 20:43:01 »

Thanks Guys,

There was some pitting on the metal but I have some special compound, cannot remember its name, that I am going to use on the joints that ensures a good seal with the hoses. A couple of a parts had to be replaced but those in the picture just passed for thickness.

I have done up the front end in total but the gearbox was good so am leaving it alone. Re chromed a lot and a repaint as well and some wide wide white walls to be fitted to finish it off.

Petri,

Its a special Australian version. LOL

Looking forward to getting it in the car to see if it rolls or hops

280SE Guy · « **Reply #10 on:** January 08, 2013, 21:39:26 »

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star63 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 08, 2013, 22:47:23 »

Quote from: Naj on January 08, 2013, 20:36:08

Sorry, Guys,

The exhaust manifolds are correctly installed for RHD.

The mod was done to bypass the steering box which would be in the way if LHD manifolds were used :'( :'(

Naj

Learned something new. Again.

But the engine sure looks beautiful

p

Neil Thompson · « **Reply #12 on:** January 09, 2013, 10:10:43 »

Garry the total finish looks great, how nice to see the alloy un-polished.

Neil

getsmart · « **Reply #13 on:** January 09, 2013, 10:22:23 »

magnifico Garry can't wait to see it in person....
I have no idea what you all mean about upside downunder inside out .....
all seems normal to me...

Joe in Melbourne

ps. the upside down writing really made me laugh....but I had to turn the laptop upside down to read it which proved to me that we are the correct way up

Flyair · « **Reply #14 on:** January 09, 2013, 10:29:32 »

The Aussies must have a special Windows Office package to write up side down. I suspected it had to be that way but never saw it in real. Thanks, it boosted my own education

Garry · « **Reply #15 on:** January 09, 2013, 11:00:14 »

Stan,

It was 280SE guy that wrote the upside down, from USA, always thought they drove on the wrong side of the road, now I know they write the wrong way as well.

Good trick though.

Am still debating whether to put a mat clear coat on the metals as well but at this point nothing. Certainly don't want to polish it, it has cost a fortune to get all the cad plating, dipping and peening done to look like original not to mention the six months to get all the bits apart, replaced where necessary and back together and that is not classed as doing it to concourse standard, that would have doubled the cost and I wasn't going there. I live on a dirt road, the first day I drive it home I am back to scratch!!!

Garry

Flyair · « **Reply #16 on:** January 09, 2013, 18:14:42 »

LOL, Sorry Garry,

nevertheless, when I lived in the UK, the first month I couldn't stop thinking how many wasted cars there were on the road

Gary Crutchley · « **Reply #17 on:** January 09, 2013, 21:03:25 »

Hi Garry, as everyone has posted – it’s looking fantastic and may well be the becnchmark for my own. I now understand why Reinhardt didn’t want to have my car in his workshop for a while – he’s too busy working on yours!

Garry · « **Reply #18 on:** January 10, 2013, 00:57:29 »

Gary,

There is three in the queue waiting including my old 280SL but he does a good job. I just had to source most of the parts and that took ages. Hope to fire it up by months end.

For John Thelews or Michael Salemi, have either of you put any clear finish coats on the engine? and if so what paint did you use?

Garry

mdsalemi · « **Reply #19 on:** January 10, 2013, 18:01:52 »

Quote from: Garry on January 10, 2013, 00:57:29

Michael Salemi, have either of you put any clear finish coats on the engine? and if so what paint did you use?

None were added beyond what might have been done by Metric Motors, he who rebuilt my engine so long ago now.

drmb · « **Reply #20 on:** January 10, 2013, 18:23:07 »

Garry check the photo of my 230sl in photo gallery listed 4th March last year of engine.I bead blasted alloy parts,washed,warmed with heat gun then applied two coats of 'CRC Dry Glide' allow to dry and you will get a nice finish that will not mark or stain easily.Have used this on restos for many years with good results.

Mine also has the exhaust manifolds on upside down !!!!

Neil Thompson · « **Reply #21 on:** January 10, 2013, 20:23:41 »

Garry, attached are photos taken at last years Essen show. They were taken on the Grosser of Germanys stand and I thought they were top standard, and still do. I think you should be very pleased with your result.

Neil

Garry · « **Reply #22 on:** January 10, 2013, 21:28:33 »

Neil,

Those photos make me feel happy with how it is going so far. Always said that if I could get it to half as good as some I had seen than I would be satisfied.

Lloyd, did you put the CRC Dry Glide on after all the parts were together so including the hoses etc?

Garry

49er · « **Reply #23 on:** January 10, 2013, 22:19:27 »

I drool with envy when I see pictures like these. Maybe someday I will return my engine to like new condition. I always tried to keep the engine bay clean but over the years the plating has faded and a fair amount of oily grime on the block and under carriage has accumulated. The only problem in doing so is I wouldn't be able to drive the car and that is sure a lot more fun

. Nice job Garry and keep us posted on restoration.

John

Richard S · « **Reply #24 on:** January 10, 2013, 22:20:59 »

Both are very nice rebuilds but I'm suprised that the slots in the fuel pump cover plate screws on the Grosser rebuild are not in alignment.

Yeah, I know, nitpicky.

mdsalemi · « **Reply #25 on:** January 10, 2013, 22:32:40 »

Quote from: 49er on January 10, 2013, 22:19:27

I drool with envy when I see pictures like these.

It was long ago and far away...

getsmart · « **Reply #26 on:** January 11, 2013, 05:49:23 »

Garry,

KBS products have clear paint products as well as high temp paints. I haven't used them yet but I used there other paint system which appears very good although the proof is in the pudding. Take a look if you're interested...their technicians are available on the phone too, seem pretty knowledgeable....

http://www.kbs-coatings.com.au/

cheers, joe

Flyair · « **Reply #27 on:** January 11, 2013, 08:51:55 »

Michael,
by saying "it as long time ago and far away", I would expect that you are suggesting that by now your engine looks even better...

twistedtree · « **Reply #28 on:** January 11, 2013, 12:14:33 »

Quote from: Naj on January 08, 2013, 20:36:08

Sorry, Guys,

The exhaust manifolds are correctly installed for RHD.

The mod was done to bypass the steering box which would be in the way if LHD manifolds were used :'( :'(

Naj

Wow, so the pipes go forward, then down and finally towards the rear? Makes sense with the steering gear there. I guess you can tell how many RHD cars I've seen :-) I would have been the guy trying to fix it after installing incorrectly the first time.

mdsalemi · « **Reply #29 on:** January 11, 2013, 12:31:50 »

Quote from: Flyair on January 11, 2013, 08:51:55

Michael,
by saying "it as long time ago and far away", I would expect that you are you suggesting that by now your engine looks even better...

No, sadly.

It is exceedingly difficult to maintain an engine bay, even with casual driving in nice weather, and regular cleaning...

Flyair · « **Reply #30 on:** January 11, 2013, 12:36:19 »

It makes me think that the must is to have two Pagodas. One to pamper, keep clean indoors and show off only if strictly required, and the other, a daily driver, full enjoyment and provider of simple pleasures

.

Maybe this is a suggestion to make to Mr Bracq Junior, who has two of them?

Naj ✝︎ · « **Reply #31 on:** January 13, 2013, 13:19:58 »

Quote from: twistedtree on January 11, 2013, 12:14:33

Wow, so the pipes go forward, then down and finally towards the rear? Makes sense with the steering gear there. I guess you can tell how many RHD cars I've seen :-) I would have been the guy trying to fix it after installing incorrectly the first time.

Hi, Peter

Down pipe pic attached to show routing...

Naj

hands_aus · « **Reply #32 on:** January 14, 2013, 06:12:40 »

Hey Garry and guys,

I was looking at the engine pictures and noticed the configuration of the metal water pipe from the water pump housing.

On my early 250SL the water pipe routes from the pump housing to the inlet manifold then returns to the injection pump temperature sensor housing via a small rubber hose.

I notice on Garrys' engine the direction of the metal pipe and water flow is the opposite direction with the metal pipe being directed first to the injection pump temperature sensor housing and obviously returning to the inlet manifold then back to the pod on the side of the block.

Was this a configuration difference between the 250SL and 280SL?

I have not seen this difference before.

I wonder what benefit this change would have on the engines? cooling or heating benefits ect

regards

Garry · « **Reply #33 on:** January 14, 2013, 08:03:44 »

Interesting point Bob, remember its a Sep '65 230SL and I have attached a photo of a 280SL that I think was Bob Possel's rebuild. You can see quite a few differences from both the water pump and the routing to the IP.

I will go and have another look tomorrow and get some further photos.

Garry

Garry · « **Reply #34 on:** January 15, 2013, 22:51:39 »

Some more photos to look at. The gearbox was removed from the car and fitted to the engine and then the whole front end was attached.
The whole lot was then fitted back into the car as one piece yesterday afternoon.
Garry

Garry · « **Reply #35 on:** January 15, 2013, 23:07:48 »

Some more

Garry · « **Reply #36 on:** January 15, 2013, 23:08:59 »

and more still

Iconic · « **Reply #37 on:** January 16, 2013, 00:01:20 »

Garry,
Looking fantastic, just fantastic.
Sorry I have nothing more intelligent to say.
Just simple praise.

280SE Guy · « **Reply #38 on:** January 16, 2013, 00:45:56 »

Looking good Gary. Did you ever paint the aluminum valve cover and intake manifold or leave them natural?

How much fun are you having?

Regards,

280SE Guy

Garry · « **Reply #39 on:** January 16, 2013, 01:20:13 »

At the moment I have left them all natural. Still thinking about coating the entire thing after fitting it all back together rather than individually.

Garry · « **Reply #40 on:** January 29, 2013, 05:02:00 »

Now have finally got the engine back in the car. Note the orange heat resistant tape is on the heater hose near the exhaust. What do other 230 owners have there. Is there meant to be a shield?

Third photo shows the depths you need to go to when the Heater has one of the inlet pipes break away. You know what the saying is. "Start with the Heater Box and build the car around it." Well this is proving to be just that to fix. But whilst in there several other items can be done up as well like, gauges, wood, wiring, heater leavers, wiper drives. It never stops, ever.

drmb · « **Reply #41 on:** January 29, 2013, 08:12:12 »

Alot of RHD sedans have a section of steel pipe in the middle of that heater hose above the ex.pipe.

w113dude · « **Reply #42 on:** January 29, 2013, 11:22:36 »

Garry,

That is one sweet looking engine bay. love the color combo too.

Flyair · « **Reply #43 on:** January 29, 2013, 13:07:33 »

Garry. Absolutely great! Looking at the engine bay is a pure pleasure, especially during winter season

please do not forget to share pics once the restoration is done.

And as for the heater... My mechanic just opened that area and while it looked quite decent from outside, thre was a huge mess inside.... Well most of the items went to restoration and a few hundred bucks accompanied the parts

Garry · « **Reply #44 on:** January 29, 2013, 22:31:10 »

Am still hoping to get it out on the road in two/three weeks to do the run-in of the engine and get some photos of the car.
Hope I am not too optimistic

ricrose · « **Reply #45 on:** January 30, 2013, 05:19:14 »

Hi Garry

Looking GOOD and love the colour!

Just got back after 280k's in the Pagoda today (

great day for it) - and had a look at that heater pipe that you have orange tape on.

I have an airconditioning compressor in that 'void' above it, but the heater pipe is a good 60mm from the exhaust (I think yours must be a lot closer, judging by the photo) - so there is no shielding.

Richard

Garry · « **Reply #46 on:** January 30, 2013, 06:13:50 »

Richard

It had air-conditioning and the compressor there but I decided to go pure and ditch the Air-conditioning so don't know quite how it should be there.

I need some Pagoda time and getting desperate for a drive.

ricrose · « **Reply #47 on:** January 30, 2013, 06:28:54 »

You know that you are welcome anytime - also we owe Joe a visit.

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