Author Topic: Wiper Identification (Read 20832 times)

Tyler S · « **Reply #25 on:** January 27, 2016, 00:19:24 »

Meyer, I'm thinking your right. I have a couple of historical books with close ups so will take a look at those tonight. Aside from the stamps locations and minor differences in the pivot point plastic they look the same. You wouldnt think a judge would eyeball that but who knows. Maybe all we succeeded in doing is add another box on a judges sheet.

perry113 · « **Reply #26 on:** January 27, 2016, 01:28:36 »

Quote from: mnahon on January 26, 2016, 23:51:35

The other thing that we don't really know is what each of these wipers looked like. We know that Tyler has one with logo-only on the top (are we certain that this is 113-820-00-45?) and we have the one that perry113 and I have, which is for sure a 113-820-05-45. I do think that these only differ from each other only slightly.

We don't really know what the 113-820-01-45 and 113-820-03-45 and possibly 113-820-04-45 looked like.

Since 113-820-05-45 was not mentioned in the 1972 catalog, it likely became the replacement part after end of production of the car.

I've received 2 answers from the classic center. One says that no replacement has been available for 9-10 years, and Tom said since more than 20 years.

I looked online for a picture of 000-824-47-26, and below is what I found. They look black.

I'm starting to think that this should just be left as one of the mysteries of the universe.

If my friend receives 000 824 47 26 wipers from the Mercedes dealer that are BLACK then I'm gonna tell em to send them BACK!

perry113 · « **Reply #27 on:** January 29, 2016, 00:36:33 »

Just as Meyer suspected the new wipers Mercedes Benz is supplying for Mercedes 230/250/280SL 000 824 47 26 are BLACK!!!!!!

See attached picture.

The wipers are inappropriate for the W113 from an aesthetic standpoint . Classic might as well not offer the option because I can't see anyone being happy with them.

Should send Roy Spencer a note to tell them that classic needs to look for a better option out their normal box.

So in the meantime it looks like Bud's is the viable option if you can't trace down the earlier original versions.

Tyler S · « **Reply #28 on:** January 29, 2016, 03:09:30 »

Poking around on another forum I'm a member of (The Samba). The Porsche 356 and some Ghia's used an Identical blade with the exception that they are 2 inch shorter or 1 inch longer respectively. Same issue over there. NLA. Link with photo of a Porsche blade. http://www.classiccult.com/vw-beetle-porsche-356-bosch-wiper-blades-26cm-nos.html

perry113 · « **Reply #29 on:** January 30, 2016, 00:17:50 »

I was very lucky to have found a new old stock unused in the box single wiper marked 113 820 05 45 this week on line. It does not say BOSCH like Meyers and my set that is on my Ivory 65 230SL but has the insignia.
Looking for another matching wiper to make it a set.
I wonder what the difference was between this part # and the previous 113 820 04 45

mnahon · « **Reply #30 on:** January 30, 2016, 04:26:59 »

Hi Peter,

The plot thickens. If I understand your description, this wiper you got looks just like the one in Tyler's picture in Reply #10 of this thread---it has only the Bosch logo, and does not have the black plastic insert where the upper blade connects to the crow's foot. And yet it was in a box labeled 113 820 05 45. So this seems to indicate that all the blades that you, Tyler and I have, all shared the same part number, even though there were slight differences.

So we're still not sure what the '01', '03' and '04', and possibly '00' blades look like. My present theory is that at least some of these were the earlier chromed 'closed' (not skeletonized) blades.

Meyer

perry113 · « **Reply #31 on:** January 30, 2016, 05:12:09 »

Quote from: mnahon on January 30, 2016, 04:26:59

Hi Peter,

The plot thickens. If I understand your description, this wiper you got looks just like the one in Tyler's picture in Reply #10 of this thread---it has only the Bosch logo, and does not have the black plastic insert where the upper blade connects to the crow's foot. And yet it was in a box labeled 113 820 05 45. So this seems to indicate that all the blades that you, Tyler and I have, all shared the same part number, even though there were slight differences.

So we're still not sure what the '01', '03' and '04', and possibly '00' blades look like. My present theory is that at least some of these were the earlier chromed 'closed' (not skeletonized) blades.

Correct. Looks like Tyler's and looks like the plot thickens.

Meyer

perry113 · « **Reply #32 on:** January 31, 2016, 02:31:38 »

I continue to evaluate whats in my collection within my collection.
Here are pictures of the stainless Bosch 13inch wipers that reside on my 1970 280se coupe. They do not say Bosch on them but exhibit the Bosch insignia. Can anyone shed light on these? Are the original W111 and or another original version for 230SL? They are different from the 250SL 280SL wipers.

cabrioletturbo · « **Reply #33 on:** February 02, 2016, 19:02:41 »

Quote from: perry113 on January 31, 2016, 02:31:38

I continue to evaluate whats in my collection within my collection.
Here are pictures of the stainless Bosch 13inch wipers that reside on my 1970 280se coupe. They do not say Bosch on them but exhibit the Bosch insignia. Can anyone shed light on these? Are the original W111 and or another original version for 230SL? They are different from the 250SL 280SL wipers.

The wiper you have on the second picture looks like 230SL wiper. It does show a little too shiny though - not sure if that was from the light.
The other wiper "skeleton" type looks like 280SL wiper.

Tyler S · « **Reply #34 on:** February 02, 2016, 23:06:15 »

Are we also sure that someone didn't replace their wipers long ago when they were readily available and put their old ones back in the box? Hence the different appearances with same part #. The boxes don't look to be sealed in any way but I could be wrong. A 1 or 2 year old wiper put back in a new box could definitely look NOS in today's light. Just a thought.

TheEngineer · « **Reply #35 on:** April 25, 2016, 16:22:17 »

So, what kind of wipers are these that I have on my car?

Rolf-Dieter ✝︎ · « **Reply #36 on:** April 25, 2016, 17:11:22 »

My wipers have no markings of any kind so, I can only assume they are reverse engineered. Oh well my car is no longer original then who cares the wipers do a great job if and when I need then.

I had many parts reverce engineered and for the most part they always turned out better and stronger for the application I used them on during my 22 years of my heavy rotating equipment machinery business.

Besides, people like Bosch don't pay us to advertise there name do they now

so if it does not show Bosch on yours be happy as long as they work fine

Cheers Dieter

mnahon · « **Reply #37 on:** April 26, 2016, 12:10:14 »

Those look like the ones that Peter showed in the original post on this thread, and that I had in reply #9. Basically correct for a 280SL. They may not have been originally installed on the car, but would have been the OEM replacement in the early 70s. They have only slight differences from the ones Tyler showed that are likely original.

As for getting worked up over original parts, I guess everyone has their own line that they draw about what's important and what's not. Whether it's sufficient for the part to work, vs being original could be applied to other parts, like the gas cap, the mirrors, the radio, the wheels, the engine, etc.

TheEngineer · « **Reply #38 on:** April 28, 2016, 16:57:00 »

Oh! I have a wonderful post about "the radio": I took the radio out from my '95 E320.
It has "weather-band", tape and six CD. It is wonderful. And I receive comments all the time that it is not correct for my 280SL. But I smile and listen to my oldies playing on CD

neelyrc · « **Reply #39 on:** May 01, 2016, 22:52:02 »

When I bought my 280SL as a new vehicle it was not with the idea that it would become a classic. In those days it was just a wonderful car. Most replacement parts were bought from the Mercedes dealer as it was felt that they were supplying the best replacements for such a fine machine.

However, when purchasing something as common as wiper blades from the dealer or from Bosch or others there was little thought about the new purchase being precisely as on the new vehicle at delivery. I didn't particularly like the "skinny" blades originally on the car and more robust ones were more appealing to me and I have used some, even black ones.

I have a set of blades that I believe are the original ones. I read through all the posts on this thread and looked at all the photographs and mine are slightly different. A couple of photos are attached. These have the Bosch logo but not the word Bosch stamped on them. Does anyone else have a like set on their 280SL?

mbzse · « **Reply #40 on:** June 18, 2016, 15:55:12 »

Quote from: mnahon

The other thing that we don't really know is what each of these wipers looked like.../... we have the one that perry113 and I have, which is for sure a 113-820-05-45

I can contribute some additional pictures of a NOS 0545 wiper; comes in a welded bag never opened.
See attached. The text "BOSCH" is stamped on the side of the area next to the mount for the arm, on other side text plus Bosch logo. Very similar to the one Perry113 shows in his post; however the joints have small black plastic inserts, and you can see that the attachment for the wiper arm is a slightly larger (non-split) black plastic part.

The inserts in the joints are same as shown in your picture Meyer (reply No13), what differs is the shape of the plastic attachment for the arm
/Hans S

Shvegel · « **Reply #41 on:** June 19, 2016, 15:38:57 »

Keep in mind that for judging purposes I believe the standard is as supplied OR whatever Mercedes is currently supplying.

mbpaul · « **Reply #42 on:** June 19, 2016, 21:44:50 »

Just to add to the confusion, here are pictures of a wiper blade I took out of my MB parts (junk?) bin. Yes, I save everything. I have both but this one is in better shape than the other one. I have a 1966 230SL produced in the later part of 1965 and I have had it since new. I do not know if these are the original or not but I suspect they are. I do not think anyone has shown pictures like these. Notice the Bosch symbol and the word Germany on them. Inside the frame directly below the Bosch symbol, there is "2,3" stamped on it but I could not get a picture of this. Nothing else that I can find. Also, no plastic anyplace, all bright steel. Magnet sticks to everything except the rubber.

Regardless if these are original or not, I am not going to use them. I want to have wipers that work on my car.

mnahon · « **Reply #43 on:** June 20, 2016, 02:38:57 »

Paul, yes, I think the ones you show are original to the earlier W113s. They are shinier and more solid looking than the later 'skeletonized' wipers. If you want to use them, you probably just need to change the inserts.

Hans, yours are interesting, and make clear that even with the same part number, there were small design changes along the way.

Shvegel, see reply #27 in this thread. Mercedes is currently supplying a black wiper. I doubt any judges would accept that.

Meyer

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