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Glove Compartment and Lining of the Wooden Box
« on: February 05, 2012, 19:40:41 »
Dear All,

Many questions from me.... well this is the stage of restoration where a lot is a question mark...

1. Does anyone have a picture of properly finished inside of the glove compartment? Leather finish. I have come across this topic in the Technical Manual. There is a reference to pictures in the photo section posted by Doug Kim - but I cannot find them.... Anybody has this kind of picture?

2. The lining in the wooden box between the seats. It should be leather in case of my car. Should it be leather on a cardboard, metal sheet or in any other way?

I would be obliged for help...

Pawel
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Re: Glove Compartment and Lining of the Wooden Box
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2012, 20:12:32 »
Pawel,
search for "glove box" and you will get lots of posts.
Here are two with photos of the box:
http://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=14065.0
http://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=11853

The wooden box in the 280SL had a piece of carpet not leather.
Alfred
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1966 230SL automatic 334G light blue (sold)
1968 280SL automatic (now 904G midnight blue)

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Re: Glove Compartment and Lining of the Wooden Box
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2012, 21:47:49 »
Alfred, thanks for replying!

Makes me feel a bit silly as I tried searching for quite some time with "glove compartment" and "glove box" and all that came out was about two posts, unrelated to the lining.... sorry, will try harder next time. I will continue looking for these original seams...

On the center tray I indeed saw carpet on probably all of the pictures. The only one with MBTex or leather was the red Pagoda shown recently on this forum for sale.

Where my question comes from is the reproduction of the card shown in the Technical Manual in "Upholstery Codes" section, almost at the bottom of it. It talks about colours and materials (in German and in English) of various interior elements. For the upholstery code 245 (which  is mine) it says in the top left corner: "...."pad in center tray,..." - under LEATHER. And there was no mention about center tray where the material was carpet. So I was quite positive it should be finished with leather...

Thanks again Alfred!
Pawel
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Re: Glove Compartment and Lining of the Wooden Box
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2012, 11:39:02 »
My center wood box has a vinyl MB tex liner in it.  It has a foam backing.  The piece is very thin.  It is the same color as the seats. Caviar. (black)
Brad

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Re: Glove Compartment and Lining of the Wooden Box
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2012, 12:09:07 »
Thanks for a voice Brad! A lot of pieces in this puzzle.....
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Re: Glove Compartment and Lining of the Wooden Box
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2012, 21:53:05 »
Hi Pawel,
no puzzles here. The 230SLs had a piece of MB-Tex as Brad wrote (although I am not sure about the foam backing) and 280SLs had a carpet piece or MB-Tex.
What kind of car do you have?
{Might be a good idea if you add this to your signature then we'll know better how to answer  ;) }
« Last Edit: February 06, 2012, 22:18:16 by 66andBlue »
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Re: Glove Compartment and Lining of the Wooden Box
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2012, 22:00:55 »
Alfred, if no puzzle - there is hope... :)

I have a 280SL, 1970, European, automatic, VIN ending 16726, upholstery code 245 (blue leather), silver (180G). The upholstery details are on the sheet at the bottom of Upholstery Codes section in Technical Manual - that's where I took the idea of leather in the center tray, it specifies this there.

Will follow the advise on signature, will do good job with search function next time, promise...
Pawel
« Last Edit: February 06, 2012, 22:23:10 by Pawel66 »
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Re: Glove Compartment and Lining of the Wooden Box
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2012, 22:20:57 »
Pawel,
sorry, I should have written that 280SLs had either MB-Tex or a carpet piece! {I have corrected my earlier post}
So perhaps leather would be OK also?
See for example: http://www.motoringinvestments.com/images/Z104/seat%20backs1.JPG
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Re: Glove Compartment and Lining of the Wooden Box
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2012, 22:25:56 »
Alfred, thank you! Yes, if you say so, I would follow the specs provided in the Technical Manual. The picture provided - is this leather or MB-Tex?
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Re: Glove Compartment and Lining of the Wooden Box
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2012, 22:36:06 »
Alfred, so as I understand it I should have MBTex at the bottom of the tray in my 230SL (very late) rather than the carpet I have there now.  The carpet has a bit of weight so stays in place but I could see the MBTex flying out when the top is off on a windy day.  Were they glued down?  I much prefer the carpet as it also prevents items from sliding around, as they would on the MBTex. ???  
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Re: Glove Compartment and Lining of the Wooden Box
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2012, 18:41:53 »
Pawel,
I called Brian Peters at Motoringinvestments and his "holy grail" car has MB-tex. The insert shown in the photo has a heat-embossed rim around it and he believes had once a foam backing that crumbled away. Unfortunately, he has never seen a leather insert, but also has never seen one that was glued to the wood.  So foam backing may be correct for vinyl.
Jordan,
it is very likely that 230SL cars never had a carpet insert.  The spare parts list (10126) shows one p/n for the insert: 113 840 01 75, and that one is vinyl.
The international spare parts list for 250SL/280SL (10202) also shows this p/n. But Dave Gallon told me that the US spare parts list (10808) shows that p/n 113 840 01 75 was replaced by 113 840 06 75 which is the carpet piece. He does not know when this happened but most likely in 1970.
Then there is a third p/n in the US list: 113 841 05 90; we believe that this could be the leather part. Importantly it was also replaced later by the xxx06 75 carpet part.

When I restored my 230SL and replaced MB-Tex with leather and installed new carpets, the carpet kit included a piece for the tray and since the original vinyl strip had shrunk so much I used the carpet piece. Totally unoriginal, as Achim would say, but it looks a lot better than the wrinkled, shrunk and discolored vinyl strip that would not stay in place.  ;)
Alfred
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Re: Glove Compartment and Lining of the Wooden Box
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2012, 18:59:47 »
Here is a photo of my MB tex tray liner (early July '68 build date). The foam backing has all but disappeared and was very thin when new.

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Re: Glove Compartment and Lining of the Wooden Box
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2012, 19:02:00 »
Alfred, thanks a million for this investigation!! Very valuable indeed!
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Re: Glove Compartment and Lining of the Wooden Box
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2012, 02:28:09 »
Another puzzle solved.  :)
According to Engelen the tray insert in 280SL cars changed to a carpet piece with VIN 12089 on August 7, 1969.
Anything before that should have either MB-Tex or leather.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2012, 02:37:18 by 66andBlue »
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Re: Glove Compartment and Lining of the Wooden Box
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2012, 08:47:41 »
Alfred, this is the breaking news and the turning point of the investigation! My original question was about the VIN number on the sheet in The Technical Manual - my VIN is higher than the one specified on the sheet - I was wondering what were the changes and - here they are!!!

Many, many thanks!
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